Almost certain the male is a sveni. Female may be as well if they're from the same place. Hard to tell between saxatilis lineage fish sometimes.
The sveni is what I was leaning towards with the male, but wasn't sure of n the one with the red belly. If they are the same I'm going to set a tank up for them and try to breed. thank you for help
I'd say sveni with a reasonable amount of certainty for the female as well since these have to be columbian. Anthurus is another commonly enountered columbian saxatiline pike. She for sure isn't an anthurus.