Can dovii eat chicken and such?
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heres a vid of him taking food out of my fingers hes bit me once ;p very sharp little teeth
I'm no expert, but i'm pretty sure I've seen foods such as chicken in this context come up a few times in threads, with the consensus being that it's not really suitable for cichlids; given they'd never eat it in the wild.
P.S can't watch the vid as im in work, but you're a brave man hand feeding a dovii LOL
P.S can't watch the vid as im in work, but you're a brave man hand feeding a dovii LOL
Ive feed mine, beef, chicken and turkey hearts .. had oscars eat hotdogs .. no issues and all the fish lived long time with no adverse effects.. just stay away from greasy foods. Sure they may not eat certain foods in the wild, however I'm pretty sure they dont eat pellets in the wild either .. my favorite dovii food was smelt stuffed with Hikari jumbo sticks ...
a pellet is comprised of proteins and fats that a fish would indeed find in the wild just not in pellet form.
though a dovi may on occasion have the opportunity to eat a bird or rodent that has fallen in the water...probably best to steer clear of animal based proteins for a piscavore.
Can they? Yes. Should they? Not on a regular basis, if at all.
That would also include hot dogs. WTF?
I've posted the following a few times over the years.
Fish aren't hard wired to assimilate the fatty acids found in beef, chicken, etc anymore than they are hard wired to assimilate large amounts of terrestrial based carbs. These excess lipids get stored in & around the organs, and eventually shorten the fishes lifespan. Can these foodstuffs offer amino acids, and solid growth, yes, no question about that, but that doesn't qualify them as being a good source of food for a fish.
Even a lot of the major discus keepers have moved away from beefheart over the past decade, for these exact reasons. It's a great food for breeders that simply want quick growth in their juvie fish (so they can take them to market quicker) but it is most certainly not an ideal long term diet. Lee Newman, Curator of Tropical Waters at the Vancouver Public Aquarium has spoken out against feeding beefheart many times, for the same reason as I do, it tends to lead to fatty degeneration of the liver.
Dr. Peter Burgess MSc, Ph.D.,of the Aquarium Advisory Service in England, is not only an experienced aquarium hobbyist, but also a scientist that specializes in the health & disease in fish. He has written over 300 articles and five books on fish health and is a visiting lecturer in Aquarium Sciences and Conservation at Plymouth University, where he works with the University of Plymouth training students in scientific research. Among his other positions, Dr. Burgess is a senior consultant to the Mars FishCare business and regularly runs fish health & husbandry courses for aquarists, fish scientists and vets. He's also a regular contributor & Fish Health consultant for the Practical Fishkeeping Magazine, as well as other magazines devoted to the fish keeping hobby.
Below is an excerpt from the Practical Fishkeeping Magazine and written by Dr. Burgess, titled;
Liver Damage and Red Meats
The routine of feeding beef heart and other red meats to Cichlids can ultimately give rise to health problems. Poultry meat is also suspect. Red meats, including lean meats such as beef heart, contain the wrong sorts of fats - these harden within the cold-blooded fish, leading to blockages and fatty deposits around the liver.
Also, the relative proportions of amino acids within the mammalian proteins are different to those required by fish. Hence, feeding red meats will cause the cichlid to excrete more nitrogenous (ammonia) wastes, thereby placing an extra burden on the biological filter."
That would also include hot dogs. WTF?
I've posted the following a few times over the years.
Fish aren't hard wired to assimilate the fatty acids found in beef, chicken, etc anymore than they are hard wired to assimilate large amounts of terrestrial based carbs. These excess lipids get stored in & around the organs, and eventually shorten the fishes lifespan. Can these foodstuffs offer amino acids, and solid growth, yes, no question about that, but that doesn't qualify them as being a good source of food for a fish.
Even a lot of the major discus keepers have moved away from beefheart over the past decade, for these exact reasons. It's a great food for breeders that simply want quick growth in their juvie fish (so they can take them to market quicker) but it is most certainly not an ideal long term diet. Lee Newman, Curator of Tropical Waters at the Vancouver Public Aquarium has spoken out against feeding beefheart many times, for the same reason as I do, it tends to lead to fatty degeneration of the liver.
Dr. Peter Burgess MSc, Ph.D.,of the Aquarium Advisory Service in England, is not only an experienced aquarium hobbyist, but also a scientist that specializes in the health & disease in fish. He has written over 300 articles and five books on fish health and is a visiting lecturer in Aquarium Sciences and Conservation at Plymouth University, where he works with the University of Plymouth training students in scientific research. Among his other positions, Dr. Burgess is a senior consultant to the Mars FishCare business and regularly runs fish health & husbandry courses for aquarists, fish scientists and vets. He's also a regular contributor & Fish Health consultant for the Practical Fishkeeping Magazine, as well as other magazines devoted to the fish keeping hobby.
Below is an excerpt from the Practical Fishkeeping Magazine and written by Dr. Burgess, titled;
Liver Damage and Red Meats
The routine of feeding beef heart and other red meats to Cichlids can ultimately give rise to health problems. Poultry meat is also suspect. Red meats, including lean meats such as beef heart, contain the wrong sorts of fats - these harden within the cold-blooded fish, leading to blockages and fatty deposits around the liver.
Also, the relative proportions of amino acids within the mammalian proteins are different to those required by fish. Hence, feeding red meats will cause the cichlid to excrete more nitrogenous (ammonia) wastes, thereby placing an extra burden on the biological filter."
To each is own , human food grade meats or scraps meats / non digestible parts /chemicals/grains made into fish pellets ?
It all boils down to the correct types, and levels, of amino acids & fatty acids. Fish aren't human, and they require different nutrient types, and levels.
are you saying that's what is in most commercial grade fish food? I would tend to agree, but I'd also have to say that the more specialized brands (hikari for instance) would have far less by-product in them and ultimately make for the best choice in a staple diet.