Canister filter speed question.

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Kashif314

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I am going to start my new tank. Its a 100 gallon. I have a question about canister filter speed. Shall I keep the speed very high or slow it down for proper filtering? LFS told me that since I am using seeded media so I need to put media where water pass slowly so bb can take care of bio load more efficiently. Is it true?

Second question is that even after 72 hours passed my tank water is little cloudy and hazy. I did a water change yesterday but still no use. My canister is running at full speed. So the same question here too that if lowering the water output will have any impact of filtering? Good or bad?
 
Flow rate should not effect BB effectiveness. With that said increasing the flow rate will not increase BB rate of breaking down ammonia and nitrates.
Flow rate will effect mechanical filtration more turn over the more changes the mechanical filtration has to collect debris is the water.

Hazy for hazyness I. The tank, we need more info. Is the tank stocked already and worth what? The cloudyness could be a bacterial bloom catching up to the bioload. Like I said need more info to truly help.
 
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Flow rate should not effect BB effectiveness. With that said increasing the flow rate will not increase BB rate of breaking down ammonia and nitrates.
Flow rate will effect mechanical filtration more turn over the more changes the mechanical filtration has to collect debris is the water.

Hazy for hazyness I. The tank, we need more info. Is the tank stocked already and worth what? The cloudyness could be a bacterial bloom catching up to the bioload. Like I said need more info to truly help.

Thanks. Its a tank with no live stock. Starting it for the first time. So no bacterial bloom possible because there is no bio load. I washed the substrate very thoroughly and made sure it doesn't leach any color. It has wood inside which will definitely lose tannins but tank is cloudy. This is the tank from the side. Cloudiness is super visible from the side angle:


So what you mean is that I must keep the filter output flow fast as possible as it will clean water more efficiently? I was thinking maybe because of fast flow the debris is returning back to tank again and again.
 
I think the cloudyness of your tank will be affected more by the pore size of your mechanical media than by the speed of your filter.

72 hours on a brand new tank?... let it settle for a couple weeks and if it is still coudy then start looking at some kind of water polishing filtration. New tanks are cloudy... just part of the process as all the different parameters start balancing out. There are hundreds of different bacteria species colonizing your tank currently... your tank is not a sterile enviroment. Even the nitrifying bacterias are starting to take hold in your tank... just not and the number and growth rate they would be if there was an abundant source of ammonia.
 
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In the past I've read where Eheim says their slower flow rates than some similar sized filters makes for more efficient nitrification. Don't know how much difference it makes, really. I've had smaller, faster filters do the same work of larger, slower filters in any given tank and vice versa. My theory is a filter with twice the media volume and half the flow rate is roughly equal to half the media volume and twice the flow rate, and my experience roughly confirms this. The main difference in this scenario is the smaller filter will need cleaning more often.

No fish doesn't necessarily mean no bacteria bloom. The microbes in your water column that can cause cloudiness are a different type from those in your filter, they live differently and multiply much faster. There can still be minerals and other nutrients in your water that feed the water column microbes, which are capable of multiplying so quickly they become visible, hence the cloudy water. According to some articles, in a new tank these nutrients may include silica dust from new sand or other sources, besides whatever nutrients are in your tap water. In any case, water changes don't always fix it, not if the nutrients are in your tap water, and going overboard with water changes can perpetuate the problem or make it worse in some scenarios. It's also possible, no matter how well you rinse new sand that there's still dust coming from your sand and it just needs time to settle and filter.

Best solution ime is time, letting your tank balance out and you're new filter and media mature a bit is better than going nuts with water changes. Sometimes it just takes a while. The other alternative is micron filter polishing if you have the means to do it. In the meantime you can still add some fish if the bloom isn't extreme, as long as ammonia/nitrite is okay, some cloudiness doesn't normally bother them, unless it's an extreme bacteria bloom producing too much ammonia or exhausting oxygen. In fact, I wouldn't go weeks without fish-- unless you're ready to go through fishless cycling--- because your beneficial bacteria will begin to shut down you'd be going backwards.
 
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Been years since I've used them, so I didn't immediately think of this, but a water clarifier might help. Does help if it's a bacteria bloom, if it's very fine mineral sediment it might or might not. However, in some cases of bacterial bloom the effect is temporary, the microbes sometimes multiply and rebound before long and you have to repeat treatment. Ime, though, this can still speed the overall process of getting a new tank past the cloudy stage. All of this assumes your ammonia/nitrite remain okay, which is a separate process.

The qualifier to this is most water clarifiers, in fact, are ineffective ime-- so some who have tried this may believe they won't do much for you...
BUT-- the one that does work is Acurel. I have a lot of experience with this, having set up enough new tanks, besides my well water being cloudy and going through it with every water change; these days I simply rely on having my filters set up with a bias toward water polishing and accept the hours of cloudiness after a water change as part of the deal. There may be newer products on the market now that work well also, but back in the day nothing worked like Acurel.

Because Acurel clumps fine particles together to help your filter sieve them out, using it can mean your filter needs rinsing sooner than normal.
 
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I think the cloudyness of your tank will be affected more by the pore size of your mechanical media than by the speed of your filter.

72 hours on a brand new tank?... let it settle for a couple weeks and if it is still coudy then start looking at some kind of water polishing filtration. New tanks are cloudy... just part of the process as all the different parameters start balancing out. There are hundreds of different bacteria species colonizing your tank currently... your tank is not a sterile enviroment. Even the nitrifying bacterias are starting to take hold in your tank... just not and the number and growth rate they would be if there was an abundant source of ammonia.
In the past I've read where Eheim says their slower flow rates than some similar sized filters makes for more efficient nitrification. Don't know how much difference it makes, really. I've had smaller, faster filters do the same work of larger, slower filters in any given tank and vice versa. My theory is a filter with twice the media volume and half the flow rate is roughly equal to half the media volume and twice the flow rate, and my experience roughly confirms this. The main difference in this scenario is the smaller filter will need cleaning more often.

No fish doesn't necessarily mean no bacteria bloom. The microbes in your water column that can cause cloudiness are a different type from those in your filter, they live differently and multiply much faster. There can still be minerals and other nutrients in your water that feed the water column microbes, which are capable of multiplying so quickly they become visible, hence the cloudy water. According to some articles, in a new tank these nutrients may include silica dust from new sand or other sources, besides whatever nutrients are in your tap water. In any case, water changes don't always fix it, not if the nutrients are in your tap water, and going overboard with water changes can perpetuate the problem or make it worse in some scenarios. It's also possible, no matter how well you rinse new sand that there's still dust coming from your sand and it just needs time to settle and filter.

Best solution ime is time, letting your tank balance out and you're new filter and media mature a bit is better than going nuts with water changes. Sometimes it just takes a while. The other alternative is micron filter polishing if you have the means to do it. In the meantime you can still add some fish if the bloom isn't extreme, as long as ammonia/nitrite is okay, some cloudiness doesn't normally bother them, unless it's an extreme bacteria bloom producing too much ammonia or exhausting oxygen. In fact, I wouldn't go weeks without fish-- unless you're ready to go through fishless cycling--- because your beneficial bacteria will begin to shut down you'd be going backwards.
No filter (if a bloom is what it is) has the ability to remove a bacterial bloom, bacteria are just too small to pass thru any normal media. As Neutrino said, patience is the only cure, waiting for the tank to reach equilibrium.
Been years since I've used them, so I didn't immediately think of this, but a water clarifier might help. Does help if it's a bacteria bloom, if it's very fine mineral sediment it might or might not. However, in some cases of bacterial bloom the effect is temporary, the microbes sometimes multiply and rebound before long and you have to repeat treatment. Ime, though, this can still speed the overall process of getting a new tank past the cloudy stage. All of this assumes your ammonia/nitrite remain okay, which is a separate process.

The qualifier to this is most water clarifiers, in fact, are ineffective ime-- so some who have tried this may believe they won't do much for you...
BUT-- the one that does work is Acurel. I have a lot of experience with this, having set up enough new tanks, besides my well water being cloudy and going through it with every water change; these days I simply rely on having my filters set up with a bias toward water polishing and accept the hours of cloudiness after a water change as part of the deal. There may be newer products on the market now that work well also, but back in the day nothing worked like Acurel.

Because Acurel clumps fine particles together to help your filter sieve them out, using it can mean your filter needs rinsing sooner than normal.

Thanks a lot. I will let it as it is and will see if the water gets cleared with time. Its a little better now without me doing anything. I may add a water polish media later
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Thanks a lot. I will let it as it is and will see if the water gets cleared with time. Its a little better now without me doing anything. I may add a water polish media later
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This is a better approach Kashif -- it's hard sometimes, as we always hope to see immediate results in almost everything we do in our lives, but with fish keeping and tank set up, patience really is a virtue. Yes there are times for quick actions, but other times we have just have to let nature work itself out, constant fiddling around with our tanks can actually interrupt this process.
 
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