thats what they were when he ordered them??? LOL Ive talked to Dan quite a bit and coming from his mouth, those F1 Viacjo Criollo Cubans floating around were originally from his wild pair or pairs. And Conkel/Gage supposedly got his from him as well. I really dont know what is what other than what is said to be. The cubans that Dan has are the nicest strain IMO the same strain that Conkel/Gage carries too. So to me it really doesnt matter as far as the Cubans go, but since i am a breeder I do require the lineage of my fish so i can maintain clean genes. But Congrats on you buy and i cant wait to see the pics. did you guys buy the Grammode pairs or the smaller ones?