Catfish id

[NI7S2S0AN]

Recently picked up a group of cats labeled Indonesian shovlenose. Trying to find scientific name or even a max size. Any help is appreciated as I've searched planet catfish's e-catalog and am unsure.

 

[herman moorr]

Sperata aor. Gets big about 60 I believe and usually kinda mean once they get size. Nice pickups.

 

[Vampire fish]

Nice

 

[NI7S2S0AN]

Thank you. That's totally one of the options i was looking at. Glad I didn't buy more than 4 if they reach that kind of potential.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

Young Sperata are hard to tell apart. We get most usually acicularis in the trade and aor appears (?) far less common. Acicularis is smaller than aor. Seenghala we never get.

I got three in 4500 gal. They are about 1.5' now, got them less than a year ago from Raymond Chan of Amazing Fish at 3", who was adamant that these were aor. I am not convinced yet. But they are jerks to each other and boisterous with tank mates. Agree with Herman.

 

[herman moorr]

Young Sperata are hard to tell apart. We get most usually acicularis in the trade and aor appears (?) far less common. Acicularis is smaller than aor. Seenghala we never get.

I got three in 4500 gal. They are about 1.5' now, got them less than a year ago from Raymond Chan of Amazing Fish at 3", who was adamant that these were aor. I am not convinced yet. But they are jerks to each other and boisterous with tank mates. Agree with Herman.

My understanding with these is if they have brownish tint they aren't aor. Silver with dot on upper fin is aor. But I'm always open to knowledge.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

The base color can often be misleading. The hue of it is a function of tank set up, substrate color, lighting, stress level, diet, gender, time of day, etc. Even the weather matters. When the pressure is rising and when falling. There are also geographical variations. Too much to take into consideration. It's good to keep in mind what you said is the norm but it's also good to know that this rule applies to a typical fish in its natural environment, stress and disease free.

I pay attention to what kind of color fish is and overlook insignificant or rather insignificant variations in color. Just sharing. Not saying I am the reference at all.

 

[herman moorr]

The base color can often be misleading. The hue of it is a function of tank set up, substrate color, lighting, stress level, diet, gender, time of day, etc. Even the weather matters. When the pressure is rising and when falling. There are also geographical variations. Too much to take into consideration. It's good to keep in mind what you said is the norm but it's also good to know that this rule applies to a typical fish in its natural environment, stress and disease free.

I pay attention to what kind of color fish is and overlook insignificant or rather insignificant variations in color. Just sharing. Not saying I am the reference at all.

Makes perfect sense. Variation does happen under certain situations. I completely over looked that piece.