So after about a dozen tries the micro pair finally figured it out and I have about 300 free swimming fry. Eggs hatched in about 2.5 days but took over a week to get free swimming. I have some great video of this but frankly I must be doing something wrong as I get errors when I try to post. Anyway I had almost given up on this pair but I think they just take a REALLY long time to become mature parents. Male is about a foot, maybe more. Female is about 10".