Cichlid Growth & Evolution Discussion

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balton777

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They say cichlids were all cut from the same cloth originally but evolved differently based on their individual enviroments. But what makes some grow so fast like Oscars, Midas, or Bocourti, yet others grow so slowly like Grammodes, Green Terror, Ornatum or Festae? Can any of you Darwins out there splain it to me? :)
 
its simple. the growth rate is also based on environment[rainy season, dry weather etc].
predator ratio, food availability etc
 
So you think maybe they would have to grow faster if there's more predators. I'm not sure how rainy or dry season plays in. And regarding food availability, when put in a controlled enviroment with equal amounts of food, some cichlids species still grow very slow while others grow quickly....so I'm confused there too.
 
Beats me, I believe it depends on the individual fish species and it's origins.
 
if you were to kepp them in the exact same conditions i believe their growth rates would be the same after a few million years of evolution
 
if you were to kepp them in the exact same conditions i believe their growth rates would be the same after a few million years of evolution

This is correct. The fish have already evolved into the slow-growers or rapid-growers that they are, so putting them in a controlled environment at this point would still produce the same results. However, if kept in these same controlled environments for millions of years, eventually both would evolve into extremely similar species in terms of growth-rate, as well as many other areas.
 
hehe, its not that simple because of dif. variations among the dif. species. But some things that will help ALL the dif. fishes with growing:

Powerfeed....not to where food is all on the ground, but rather 3-4 times a day.
Clean Water...no brainer here, less stress equals better health.

Last one is not proven, but notice babies sleep all the time, they say the more sleep the faster the growth. Perhaps only having the light on 8 hours a day
 
maybe it has to do with bodies of water they come from and availabilty of food in thier natural environment cause it seems like fish from like lake nicaragua which is big and filled with food grow faster than small river fish which dont have that same food availability and the dry season effects them more than big lake fish but it is confusing that it would affect them so many generations from being wild
 
I've been constantly reading about fish health, growth and growth rate for a few months now... kinda obsessed with it tbh, especially after getting festae which seem to grow backwards lol

This is a good read

"Physiological mechanisms underlying a trade-off between growth rate and tolerance of feed deprivation in the European sea bass (Dicentrarchus labrax)"

The specific growth rate (SGR) of a cohort of 2000 tagged juvenile European sea bass was measured in a common tank, during two sequential cycles comprising three-weeks feed deprivation followed by three-weeks ad libitum re-feeding. After correction for initial size at age as fork length, there was a direct correlation between negative SGR (rate of mass loss) during feed deprivation and positive SGR (rate of compensatory growth) during re-feeding (Spearman rank correlation R=0.388, P=0.000002). Following a period of rearing under standard culture conditions, individuals representing ‘high growth’ phenotypes (GP) and ‘high tolerance of feed deprivation’ phenotypes (DP) were selected from either end of the SGR spectrum. Static and swimming respirometry could not demonstrate lower routine or standard metabolic rate in DP to account for greater tolerance of feed deprivation. Increased rates of compensatory growth in GP were not linked to greater maximum metabolic rate, aerobic metabolic scope or maximum cardiac performance than DP. When fed a standard ration, however, GP completed the specific dynamic action (SDA) response significantly faster than DP. Therefore, higher growth rate in GP was linked to greater capacity to process food. There was no difference in SDA coefficient, an indicator of energetic efficiency. The results indicate that individual variation in growth rate in sea bass reflects, in part, a trade-off against tolerance of food deprivation. The two phenotypes represented the opposing ends of a spectrum. The GP aims to exploit available resources and grow as rapidly as possible but at a cost of physiological and/or behavioural attributes, which lead to increased energy dissipation when food is not available. An opposing strategy, exemplified by DP, is less ‘boom and bust’, with a lower physiological capacity to exploit resources but which is less costly to sustain during periods of food deprivation.
http://jeb.biologists.org/content/213/7/1143.full
 
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