could more filter media be equal to more turnover

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mojoman

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in theory im wondering about building a diy canister with much more
filtering media , could this do a better job than more turnover
has anyone seen anyplace where this has been debated or proved ,or disproved one way or the other .. thanks kevin
 
More media only helps when you don't have enough surface area for the BB to grow.

You could have 1000000000000000000 cubic feet of bio media with 1x or 100000x turn over, but if you only need 10 cubic feet of surface area it will just be a wast. the 10 cubic feet at 1x or 100000x turn over would function the same as the 1000000000000000000 cubic feet.

I am personally a fan of more turn over, Most of my turn over never see's the filter,the filter has a 3x turn over rate, but I have a few power heads inside the display.
 
I am thinking since you said "filtering media" that you mean mechanical media for actually removing debris.

The only benefit I can think of would be increased maintenance intervals. More media means more time to get dirty. Or if you stage you media's with a fine media last then you will get better fine partical removal.

But more media is definetly not a replacement for turn over rate.

Turn over rates aid you in keeping debris suspended in the water column so that the filter can remove it. Mostly
 
But more media is definetly not a replacement for turn over rate.

Absolutely.
You can`t clean what dosen`t get to the filter, no matter what media you use or amounts of it.
 
Media type, media volume and turnover are all important factors to good filtration, but each one needs to be considered independently. Each one does have an effect on the other, but each one also holds it’s independent responsibility.
 
Water Flow - You need to have enough water movement to move the waste into the filters intakes… or you need to accept you have ineffective mechanical filtration and therefore take on the responsibility of manually cleaning the tank regularly (and experience the consequences when life gets busy and you don’t have time).
 
Media Type - Mechanical media is for filtering out particles and bio media is for housing bacteria. The value of bio media lives in it’s porous nature. So you want to thoroughly remove particles from the water or else those particles will clog the pores making bio media drastically less efficient.
 
Media volume - In my opinion/experience this is the least important factor being discussed here. If you have a dozen foam blocks in a row that are all the same density, the first one will catch the vast majority of the waste and slow down the flow rate while the others just sit there. Therefore it helps to progressively increase the density of the filter media (example - open cell sponge first, light sponge second, dense/fine sponge third, quilt batting last).
 
Regarding bio media, your tank will need X amount of bacteria. If you have enough surface area to house 10X bacteria, your system will still only house X bacteria. To create an example… if a couple has 4 kids, they ‘need’ a car that can seat 6. Buying a bus that seats 60 doesn’t make your family any larger. It just means they have a lot of empty seats.
 
Also remember that bacteria can and will live/grow on any surface, not just bio media.
 
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