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Okay so trying to be proactive. My tank will be set up as Native. I’ll have a couple bass and a large 1.5# bluegill. The creek by my house is full of crawl dads and small fry fish. It’s extremely easy to catch them. I was planning on a 20 or 55 gallon tank to stock them in before feeding and possibly allowing a couple of the crawl dads to live in the main tank (220g).

What are your all’s thoughts on this. Do and don’t. Any meds to add to the creek tank for preventives etc.
 
Quarantine and now meds for now only if the stock develop something. That’s what I suggest.
 
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Can you actually list the stocking. Everything you will or want to put in their.
Just a couple creek crawdads and some fry that appears to be baby bluegill. They will mainly be for feeding the bass as a treat. I just want to cover my bases ahead of time. I have a local (trustworthy) bait shop that sell minnows and shiners that will be for the regular feeding. But my son loves to play in our creek and catch the fry and craws.
 
What state are u in…what are your laws… what, if any, license or permit is needed to collect or keep natives… what are the legal means of “collection” i.e. hook and line, dip net, seine, minnow trap, cast net…. What are the legal size limits and numbers…can u legally collect “game fish” at all…. That would b the 1st place to start ?… this info is also subject to change yearly so make sure u read current relevant information from ur states DNR not a forum or an outdated article/report. some states are better than others with these issues… do as u wish, do not incriminate urself on a public forum with pictures of u breaking laws ?… even things like minnows and crayfish have specific collection methods and possession numbers in my state or a permit is needed. Native fish can be purchased from vendors online, some bait shops or hatcheries. U may need to keep receipts as proof of purchase. Some states are more lenient also, might get lucky… just check/do some reading 1st.
 
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For my part I will assume all is legal and you have done that homework. I like the 55 if you have space. It allows you to do larger batches. No meds on Crawfish. Many are toxic, and there aren't that many things that they will carry. Standard quarantine would be 30 days. If you want a prophylactic do a salt dip on any fish going in there. Be carful feeding too many cyprinids as you could end up with thiaminase issues. Also I would be careful how much you trust your local bait shop. I am sure they are reputable, but they aren't looking at the fish the same way you are. Don't hesitate to feed prepared diets though. They are designed to be nutritionally complete. There is nothing wrong with live feeding for an enrichment activity and primary nutrition from prepared diets. I would look at insect larvae as well (dragonfly, caddisfly, midge, etc)

On crawfish in the main tank be careful. They tend to take advantage of inactivity of fish in the night. They will take cheap shots and that can be an issue.
 
With some of our naives in peril including some species of the minnow best thing to do is research whats going on in your local watershed.

Panfish what kind of classification they have in your state? What kind of bluegills are those?

the crayfish in my area is the most annoying crayfish to catch and illegal to keep: the rusty crayfish I am so annoyed by those right now as its only kind I catch those days in the rivers. The catch-22 they are illegal to be in your possession alive in my state
 
Again, assuming that you have done the homework regarding the local regulations governing this type of collection...if it were my tank I would make a choice between a single bass or a community of smaller fish. Bass get big, and don't play well with other fish smaller than themselves. They're not particularly aggressive but they are very predatory and gluttonous. A single would make an interesting, active and interactive display; sort of the native fish equivalent of oscars, red devils, etc. but with the potential to outgrow most of those species.

If I were going the community route, I'd choose almost any species other than the bluegill (yes, the term "bluegill" refers to a single species of sunfish). Bluegills are one of the bigger sunfish, and one of the least colourful. Pumpkinseeds or others are better choices due to smaller size and much brighter colours. Sunfish in general (including bass) can be thought of much like cichlids; potentially territorial and aggressive. Rock Bass (a personal favourite) are similar, not brightly coloured but still attractive and interesting. With any sunfish, you'd have best success with either a single one, or a group of 5 or more to spread and reduce aggression.

Minnows, shiners, dace, etc. are sort of the native equivalent of tetras and barbs; smaller schooling fish, active and attractive in groups. They grow to various sizes and have varying requirements; you should try to identify the species you have and choose something appropriate to your tank size and conditions, rather than just dipping up a netful of assorted little guys and calling it good.

Crayfish are interesting. They are also predatory upon smaller fishes (especially after dark), attractive as food to larger fish like bass, quarrelsome amongst themselves, and very prone to being eaten or killed immediately after shedding their shells. They also have a tendency to mow down your aquatic plants right to the roots. They would be analogous to...well, they're not really the equivalent of anything that is commonly kept in tropical community tanks. They are essentially just a PITA; they're cool, but the only time I have had long-term success with them was when they were kept on their own, in unplanted tanks. Easy to keep, though, and interesting.

My suggestions all come from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't like crowded tanks and wants to choose livestock with an eye towards keeping the fish for life...hopefully theirs rather than mine. :) If you prefer to get small fish and then periodically swap them out as they outgrow their tank (as many MFK members seem to do), please consider the fact that re-homing natives to other aquarists or LFS is much more problematic than doing so with "tropicals". Not nearly as many potential takers for this type of fish. And simply releasing them back into the wild is frowned upon, as they may have been exposed to various pathogens, parasites and diseases that are not part of the local environment and should not be introduced. Disposing of them in an "environmentally ethical" manner may be distasteful to many keepers...although the fish themselves may be quite tasty when fried up in batter...:)
 
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