Crossing Vieja Species

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Mystix212

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As many of you may know, Viejas can be some of the most spectacular anerican cichlids to own, so when I finally had space (or more like when the missus let me have some), I set up a 4ft bio type tank.

After much hunting around, I nabbed a 8" Vieja Fenestratus which surprisingly became the most submissive fish in their amongst a JD, convict, fire mouth, Texas, Salvini, most of which are half it's size.

Anyway, recently I saw a Vieja Pearsei, or Cichlasoma, whatever the taxonomy feels like doing these days, and promptly brought it home.
It is also the same size (8") as my Fenestratus. For 3 days the Fenestratus climbed to the rank of alpha Cichlid and abused the Pearsei until I came home to roughly 350-400 eggs on some driftwood.

I have been keeping fish and mainly cichlids for nigh on 6 years now, and also work at Australia's leading wholesaler of aquatic fish, so I instinctly knew the eggs were not fertilized when the supposed male of the pair (Pearsei) was not protecting the eggs.

My question here is, does anyone have any experience of such Vieja species crossing, considering the varying taxonomy of them? Or maybe similar species?
We all know fish like red devils and convicts like to sleep around, but I haven't had first hand experience with these before.

Even if I did eventuate with fry, they would of been food for my African display tank that sits beside the American tank.

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I see a lot of Vieja hybrids hereabout.

Never a x with. pearsei, though, though i believe it is possible.
 
A shame that you'd feed them to your Africans tho, would be interesting to see what an adult Pearsei x Fenny would look like, even if it's just one or two from the batch kept out of curiosity.
If I could manage to get fry at a free swimming stage, I could place them in 1 of many spare tanks at work and rear them up for fun. It wouldnt be possible to rear them up at home thats for sure.
 
Best to post it in the Hybrid Section. According to this sticky, all CAs are capable of crossing, not just between species of the same genus, but across genus.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...1-Rules-of-Hybridization-In-American-Cichlids

There is another sticky that shows pcs of the crosses. Check it out and you may find what your cross may look like.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...g-Cichlid-Hybrid-Example-Thread-(Load-Warning)

Like Malawian cichlids, CAs diverged from the same bloodline and can cross breed with one another. Unlike Malawian cichlids, CAs have more diverse body shape, size, color and pattern, and you will find unlikely crosses between small convict/firemouth with giant Jaquar and Texas. As a result, CA hybrids are more diverse and interesting than Malawian hybrids which are just blend in generic haps.

I would raise a few of your cross to find out what they will look like, but won't sell them unless you and your buyer know they are hybrid.
 
Yeah Cichlasoma now.

Just like to point out, so that people are not confused with the taxonomy, that pearsi is a fish that currently does not have a proper scientific name! Currently in generic limbo. It is refferred to as "Cichlasoma" in qoutations, or as 'exCichlasoma', or even sometimes as 'Heros' in quotations (some use this name as they feel it is a more accurate term for a fish that belongs to the tribe, Heroini). Here is the list of CA/SA cichlids that do not have a proper scientific name: http://www.cichlidae.com/gallery/genus.php?id=56 The cichlid Room Companion calls them exCichlasoma because they use to belong to this genus (30 years ago) but no longer do......but they have to be called something in the meantime, until the ichthyologists get around to determining exactly what genus they belong; whether a CA genus that already exists or a new name yet to be determined.

The genus Cichlasoma was restricted to South American port acaras, by Sven Kullander in 1983......the vast majority of CA cichlids have been assighned to new genera, but 12 species still remain (along with the described sub-species of urophthalmus) with out a genus, and currently do not have a proper scientific name.
 
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