Cure for Oscar aggression...Red LED Light????

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Made a startling discovery by accident. The large tank has an aquaneat led strip light which allows custom settings along with base colors of red, green, and bright blue. Those of you who have read about my fish know about the squabbling between Boss the parrot and Brick the Oscar. It's never been serious and no injuries despite all the nonsense. There are times it gets a bit out of hand, though.

So anyway I mistakenly tapped the "red" led light by mistake. First off, its ugly as sin. Dark and weird looking. But it also stopped my Oscar Brick...he was tussling with Boss and halted like he hit a wall. Then he drifted back aimlessly in the current and turned sideways. So I'm like "the hell's wrong with him?"

Then he swam carefully, not brushing against any objects. So I watched and discovered he can't see in red light! Boss was completely unaffected and went over to 'nudge' him across the tank to his side. Remarkable! He did this the entire time the red light was on. I was amazed, but I have heard of Parrots doing things like watching over impaired fish.

The reason I could tell Brick couldn't see is because when I tapped the tank in front of him he never turned around and jolted away. Normally he looks at me and follows my finger. So he was relying on his lateral line to get around but had no sense of where anything was. My understanding is that different fish see different parts of the spectrum and perceive it a certain way based on their evolution and location/sunlight/water depth they are adapted to.

This also explains Brick's reaction during Xmas when I was wearing a red sweater. He floated away and tilted like he wanted no part of me. He also does this with bold pattern clothes. The Parrots don't care if you wear checkers and dots in neon. But food is the cure. Once he eats Brick is fine with loud color.

So to test my theory further I hit a custom setting resembling sunset with deep magenta/orange tones. Brick was subdued and slowed down. He could clearly see and swim normally but the red spectrum was a factor. It was like he was totally relaxed and went into second gear. Under magenta light Boss is practically flourescent...you can see him 20 feet away. Interestingly enough the red spectrum made Boss more active and exploring, an opposite affect.

I briefly hit the red again. Same result...total disorientation. It also took him a couple of minutes to gather himself after the regular light was on. I have a custom setting I call "low bright white"" that is more natural than the "marine" and "fish" light settings (they are garish and promote algae). The marine is super white/blue tint, the fish is super white/green tint, The "plant " light is neutral white and the "full daylight" is just blinding purple/blue tint white. So I mixed in the blue, magenta and green to tone the white back a bit to look more like regular lower key lighting. When I have it on it looks like the full white light but the tank is more natural in color and the fish not stressed.

I'm no scientist but I think its worth looking into. Just my observations with my own fish regarding led light:

RED = Oscar disoriented, no vision. Parrot is unaffected and becomes more lively, exploring whole tank. No aggression between the two. Territory non existent.
GREEN = Oscar and Parrot normal, still some territorial behavior but reduced.
BLUE = Oscar and Parrot Ok, go into rest mode or patrol tank at low speed. No aggression, lots of interaction. No territory issue.
Regular Light mode = Both are fed on Brick's side of tank...Boss comes over immediately but doesn't overstay when eating. Each fish stays in their territory during the day except when I'm in front of the tank...then Brick roams into Boss' area constantly, almost like out of boredom. I have no idea what this means or why Brick does this only when I'm there.

However if Boss has food on his side they tussle and eventually Brick gets shoved over to his area. If Boss overstays his welcome on Brick's side he gets chased back as well. This is only under regular light, though.
 
Its not that he cant see its a reaction to stress. For whatever reason the red lighting is causing a reaction. My pearsei reacts this way to blue light. He absolutely stresses out. Ive done this to stop him from eating most of the pellets and let the bichirs get their fill. If one side of the tank is blue he retreats to the other side. Its not something id make a habit of. If they can get along you may have to accept it and separate them. I dont think its fair to the fish to use this method on a regular basis. Ive completely stopped doing it.


What sized tank ?
 
Its not that he cant see its a reaction to stress. For whatever reason the red lighting is causing a reaction. My pearsei reacts this way to blue light. He absolutely stresses out. Ive done this to stop him from eating most of the pellets and let the bichirs get their fill. If one side of the tank is blue he retreats to the other side. Its not something id make a habit of. If they can get along you may have to accept it and separate them. I dont think its fair to the fish to use this method on a regular basis. Ive completely stopped doing it.


What sized tank ?

Tank is a 225

No, the oscar couldn't see...he didn't respond to any visual cues and reacted only by sense. This was something I found out by mistake...I would never do anything to harm or stress my fish. And I don't need to do this to stop aggression. As I said in other posts, they scuffle but no one ever gets injured (maybe an occasional loose scale) but its pretty much just pushing and shoving and some chasing. Then they swim together no problem. I've heard people say some fish don't like red for some reason, maybe it makes a 'black hole' in their vision. In any case the parrot had no issue with it at all. What makes you think I do this on a regular basis when it was a one off situation?
 
Tank is a 225

No, the oscar couldn't see...he didn't respond to any visual cues and reacted only by sense. This was something I found out by mistake...I would never do anything to harm or stress my fish. And I don't need to do this to stop aggression. As I said in other posts, they scuffle but no one ever gets injured (maybe an occasional loose scale) but its pretty much just pushing and shoving and some chasing. Then they swim together no problem. I've heard people say some fish don't like red for some reason, maybe it makes a 'black hole' in their vision. In any case the parrot had no issue with it at all. What makes you think I do this on a regular basis when it was a one off situation?


How do you know the oscar couldnt see ? I highly doubt he was blinded by the red light. Just my opinion.

You said you heard they dont like red light, to me that says stress why a colored light would cause stress is beyond me but its seems to do so to some fish. What you described is exactly what i noticed with the blue light. Turning side ways and what not this is a absolutely a stress reaction. I have a heterospilus who like your parrot isnt impacted by this one but, doesnt change the fact that the other fish is reacting.

They are your fish. Im no preacher so rock on. Just a heads up the pushing, chasing and missed scale or two is creating stress on the fish. If thats aggression that doesnt need to be corrected then so be it
 
I believe the red light spooked the fish. Imagine if the sky turned red on you when you were outside. I think it may have to do with how unnatural red light is to fish. But with blue n green they are fine because normally the surface of the water is this color so it blends in a bit. Red doesn’t blend in at all and like you said his eyes could be reacting to the sudden change due to the color spectrum he sees in.
 
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The only reason I believe the fish couldn't see is because he couldn't face any object directly with vision. Almost like someone throwing a black hood over your head. There was no response to any motion directly in front of his eyes.

I'm the most anti stress fishkeeper you'll ever meet. The parrot and oscar have been in the tank since december. In all that time there was one incident each of a loose scale. They each hold their own. As long as no one is getting injured I'm not overly concerned but I do monitor at times. At night they swim like the best of friends then its back to the foolishness when the lights are on. It isn't constant only sporadic. Everyone eats fine, has color and nobody is intimidated. At times I think they're just messing around out of boredom.

I went online and researched that some fish don't perceive aspects of the spectrum like others. Deep water fish don't appear to see red and there are lots of red deep water in the trenches (like camoflauge). Fish from filtered dim light prefer green and blue wavelengths. Fish from shallow and high sunlight/uv/ high contrast seem to prefer a full color spectrum. I had to do some digging to get information, there isn't a ton of study on this for captive fish.

All that being said as I commented the red light is butt ugly...other than blending for custom led settings. Maybe some folk like the christmas light weirdness but I only use the spectrum colors to imitate natural light situations. I have one setting 'predawn' that has muted yellow/magenta tone. Full light is muted white. Sunset is muted magenta/orange. Evening/night is a dark blue moonlight color where you can barely see broken shadows. It's more natural than the solid blue setting which looks kind of artificial and neon.
 
225. I rescaped it a bit since the last pics were taken for maintenance reasons. Will be posting newer tank pics soon. At the end of this month I will be adding the syno catfish Rex and Green severum Chip out of quarantine.
 
225. I rescaped it a bit since the last pics were taken for maintenance reasons. Will be posting newer tank pics soon. At the end of this month I will be adding the syno catfish Rex and Green severum Chip out of quarantine.

So if you observe any aggression, you could use the red light to indirectly break up squabbles by switching it on when a fight is about to break out.
 
The only reason I believe the fish couldn't see is because he couldn't face any object directly with vision. Almost like someone throwing a black hood over your head. There was no response to any motion directly in front of his eyes.

I'm the most anti stress fishkeeper you'll ever meet. The parrot and oscar have been in the tank since december. In all that time there was one incident each of a loose scale. They each hold their own. As long as no one is getting injured I'm not overly concerned but I do monitor at times. At night they swim like the best of friends then its back to the foolishness when the lights are on. It isn't constant only sporadic. Everyone eats fine, has color and nobody is intimidated. At times I think they're just messing around out of boredom.

I went online and researched that some fish don't perceive aspects of the spectrum like others. Deep water fish don't appear to see red and there are lots of red deep water in the trenches (like camoflauge). Fish from filtered dim light prefer green and blue wavelengths. Fish from shallow and high sunlight/uv/ high contrast seem to prefer a full color spectrum. I had to do some digging to get information, there isn't a ton of study on this for captive fish.

All that being said as I commented the red light is butt ugly...other than blending for custom led settings. Maybe some folk like the christmas light weirdness but I only use the spectrum colors to imitate natural light situations. I have one setting 'predawn' that has muted yellow/magenta tone. Full light is muted white. Sunset is muted magenta/orange. Evening/night is a dark blue moonlight color where you can barely see broken shadows. It's more natural than the solid blue setting which looks kind of artificial and neon.

The opening line of your post indicates the aggression is a concern. You even said it gets out of hands at times. Just because the fish are eating and have color doesnt mean the aggression is a stress factor. Maybe it isnt a big deal but your own words may lead others to think otherwise. You also said he didnt react when you tapped on the glass. Again telling me his lack of site had anything to do with his behavior. The fish wasnt blinded he was scared.
 
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