Curious I.D on these ATF.

[bannedmfk]

I do believe I think the top is a TATF and the bottom is obviously a VATF. Im curious to know what everyone thinks. I've been collecting and researching heavy on ATF for quite some time but I want to know if I am right to double check.

 

[kno4te]

Jiyowel . Always bad at atf IDs. Look like both vatf to me.

 

[bannedmfk]

Another VATF with rounded top.

 

[bannedmfk]

Better pic. More of a spoon head look (which I do see on TATF) on this guy unless I am wrong and this VATF just has a higher back than what I usually see

 

[bannedmfk]

Moved him in black background for better contrast