Damsel with popeye?

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JTRG05

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I just purchased a damsel yesterday, and overnight it's right eye has swelled enormous, and looks exactly like popeye I would find in a freshwater fish. What treatments can I use on a Saltwater fish? Is this really popeye?

I bought him from PetCo so there is no return policy unfortunately, I'm assuming he already had it when I bought him and I just didn't see it as this happened VERY fast.
 
Well first, I'm going to move this for you over to disease/injuries, and then, if you could check out the sticky on posting guidelines for that area it would really help everyone in helping you. If you can post a picture, and include the info the sticky asks for then I can try to help you right now. Thanks.
 
Thank you for moving, I was in a hurry and never really visited any of the salt related portions of the site before. I'll try to get pics up as soon as I can, but I have no time tonite, and won't tomorrow either, I'm hoping the little guy isn't desperately ill, this has happened at probably the worst time with work and the holiday.

Some general info for now:
pH: 7.6
Temp: 79
Ammonia/Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 10 ppm
SG: 1.021
I have a protein skimmer, heater filter, black background and Power Head (The power head is rated for 75 gallons, but I have it turned down, do you think its still to powerful for a 29?)
I am NOT using an RO water unit currently, but everything tests fine, and I'm not planning on reef, I of course age the water before changing.

It is a Damsel fish, labeled as a Fiji Devil Damsel or Chrysyptera taupou, what I assumed would be a good starter fish from a local LFS (PetCo). The fish is currently housed in a 29 gallon tank with roughly 30 LB's of live rock (pompeii) and about an inch 1/4 worth of live sand (Crushed Coral/bits of shells), it is fully cycled by me "cooking" the live rock with ammonia. The Damsel is the only occupant of the tank. I've had this fish only a brief (maybe a day) amount of time and have not got him on a feeding schedule yet, but the plan was: Marine Flakes/granules, blood worms, River and mysis shrimp with bits of Krill. This fish is the only addition besides the live rock (pompeii) and the sand I've had for weeks. The live rock does have some pests on it, including bristle worms and some red algae from when I first got it, but I didn't think it would do this. It's behavior is to hide and it looks like it is breathing, gasping for air as if it was stressed.

One thing I was worried about was that all the damsels were shipped into the store THAT day, and were acclimated into the store roughly 3 hours prior to my picking it up. And then bought and acclimated to my water after that, and was worried the stress brought something out, or it was diseased when I bought it, sense it began showing signs very quickly.

I will have a picture hopefully Friday, and I hope he'll make it until then, but for now the only description I have is that it looks like popeye on a betta from low water quality, swelling not just around but literally pushing the right eye outward.

Thank you in advance, and if there is any info you need please ask.
 
Unfortunately he passed this morning. When I took him out of the tank I noticed he was scratched up pretty bad, and looked as though he had been bullied severely. I usually deal with a friend that works at PetCo, but she was not present, and I have grown trustworthy of the LFS, but another worker was there, and I trusted him enough I didn't even inspect the fish. Apparently the newer worker had the Damsel in with a Scooter Blenny that had already killed one, and a Tang that was working on another.

Though relieved to find it's not my fault, I really wish I'd have paid more attention when picking them out, instead of being so excited about my first SW fish.
 
I'm sorry no one replied sooner, and that you lost the fish. From the photographs, yes I see the pop-eye, but it's important to remember that pop-eye in it's self, is not a disease as most would like to believe. It's actually more of a condition brought on by other factors. Think of it as a "side-effect" or "symptom" and not it's own disease. What I see in the picture of which I wanted to discuss however, was the extent of the damage in the eye, and let you know all that you were really looking at. Pop-eye can be brought on as an after-effect to an injury in the eye - if the blenny and tang were to blame at all and inflicted any injury on the damsel, but what is most prominent in that picture, is infection. Secondary infections are what usually doom a fish with an otherwise recoverable injury - as with any damage he may have sustained in the eye initially from other fish. What I see here, is a highly advanced infection. It appears to be fungal in nature, however there are many bacteria which take on a fungal appearance, so without a scraping it'd be hard to make an exact identification. However, bacteria and fungi are kind of like peanut butter and jelly around wounds, and more often than not, where one is the other is sure to soon follow. Notice the degeneration around his mouth as well? And the irregularity of the infection - being that it's shape is not defined around the eye, but rather, extends out in patches? This indicates that if there was a wound initially, that soon became the least of this little guys problems, because it's the infection, which spread, and took him. It's important to observe any new fish you purchase, and be able to QT them before introduction into an established community. You stated this was your first, so spread of infection is minimal at this point, but it would be wise to offer general antibiotics of a gentle nature to new additions for at least a week before introduction. I will house my new arrivals in QT and administer a cocktail of Melafix and Pima fix to guard against any rogue bacterial or fungal beasties hangin around, and ensure that he/she gets a good healthy start in my tanks, because lets face it, you simply can never trust what's gone on in their previous environment. Because Melafix and Pimafix lack the toxins most aggressive meds do, there is no risk of adverse effects on the fish, when dosed properly, and kept in adequate conditions while in QT. It's safe and gentle, and works wonders as a sort of de-tox for new fish entering into your community, ensuring not only its health, but protecting the health of your main tanks as well. I'm sorry you lost the little guy, but hopefully with the next one, you'll be able to recognize any risks and treat them before it gets out of hand.
 
I'm quoting this as an addition to my last post because I wanted to touch on some things here...

JTRG05;3651838; said:
Thank you for moving, I was in a hurry and never really visited any of the salt related portions of the site before. I'll try to get pics up as soon as I can, but I have no time tonite, and won't tomorrow either, I'm hoping the little guy isn't desperately ill, this has happened at probably the worst time with work and the holiday.

Some general info for now:
pH: 7.6 This needs to be raised. Aim for 8.1 - 8.4
Temp: 79
Ammonia/Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 10 ppm These need to be sitting at zero. Always.
SG: 1.021 This is a little low. Aim for 1.023 - 1.026 generally.
I have a protein skimmer, heater filter, black background and Power Head (The power head is rated for 75 gallons, but I have it turned down, do you think its still to powerful for a 29?)
No need to turn it down. You want lots of circulation in a salt tank. No, it's not too powerful, don't worry.
I am NOT using an RO water unit currently, but everything tests fine, and I'm not planning on reef, I of course age the water before changing.
I wouldn't say everything is testing fine. Check the notes on your parameters above and try to make those changes and keep them stable. Make sure your tank, is fully cycled. When "Aging" the water, make sure you keep it aerated. (Air stones work, as well as stirring it frequently).

The live rock does have some pests on it, including bristle worms and some red algae from when I first got it, but I didn't think it would do this.
No, they wouldn't be the reason. They may have been an irritant if he spent a lot of time within crevices of the rocks, but would not be responsible for what I see in the pic, not in the least.

It's behavior is to hide and it looks like it is breathing, gasping for air as if it was stressed.
That hiding behavior is common in all fish newly acclimated to a tank. And in fact, it's part of their acclimation. People tend to limit acclimation just to the fish's adaptation to the water, however it's more than that, and includes not only their social interactions with other residents, but also their familiarization of their environment as a whole, so hiding, and skittish behavior is very common for usually the first week or so with a new addition. "gasping for air" is yes, a sign of stress. Not always one which warrants danger, as once again, acclimation is a process of full and total "settling in", and so elevated stress levels are unavoidable for new additions, and this gasping behavior is common when the fish feels exceptionally vulnerable or agitated. Furthermore, when disease and infections are apparent, gasping is usually present as well, and could very well be, because the infection was not localized around his eye, but had spread outwards and was around his mouth as well, which could indicate a possible inflamation in his gills as well, coupled with an immune system failing, making everything in his little body work harder.

One thing I was worried about was that all the damsels were shipped into the store THAT day, and were acclimated into the store roughly 3 hours prior to my picking it up. And then bought and acclimated to my water after that, and was worried the stress brought something out, or it was diseased when I bought it, sense it began showing signs very quickly.
Very, very possible. Bacteria and Fungi are ever present in marine - or any aquatic environments for that matter. Usually a healthy fish's immune system and it's natural slime coat (possessing it's own anti-fungal agents) can effectivly combat any intrusion, and there is no need for intervention.
However, when stressed, it's natural defenses lose their effectiveness, and that's when naturally present fungi and bacteria can take hold. Additionally, with injuries, which may temporarily damage the slime coat opens the doorway for all things bad to enter. It's always a good idea to allow a newly shipped fish to hang out at the store for at least the first week. Too much shifting around too quickly, is one surefire way to push it's stress coping capabilities to their limits. Not to mention you want to allow yourself a chance to observe them, see if they are active and alert, eating regularly, etc., in addition to their external appearances.


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