Did I overdo it?

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In setting up my 92 gallon corner, I bought about 20 giant danios to cycle the tank, but then I thought I'd add 6 tiger barbs... Same day I saw a guy was trying to get rid of some fish:

6 yellow Labs. (~2.5 inches)
2 Pseudotropheus Kingsizei (2 in)
1 Metriaclima callainos Male pearl white cobalt (4 inches)
1 peacock "Stuartgranti Maleri" Chipoka male (3 inches)

They were for a really good price so I bit the bullet and took them - am I going to regret it? Will this hurt my cycling effort?


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While it wont hurt the cycling effort, it's definitely going to have adverse effects on the fish unless you:

a: go buy instacycle stuff

b: do massive daily water changes for a few weeks (will probably slow the cycle)

c: find a friend or CL guy willing to donate a freshly used filter to help seed, and do a lot of waterchanges
 
What kind of filtration is on this tank? Is it possible for you to take a couple handfuls of gravel or used (still active) filter material from your SA tank to the new one? If you have a Hang-On-Back like an emperor 400, take out one of the cartriges and fill that side with gravel or filter media from the established tank. Same idea for a canister filter: fill one the baskets/trays with gravel or used filter material. This will provide a limited amount of bio filtration immediately, while the rest of the tank substrate and filtration is establishing itself.

That seems like a massive bioload for an un-cycled tank, and you can reasonably expect to have ammonia and nitrite (the real baddies) in the tank daily for 2-3 weeks before the nitrates start to rise, lowering the other two.


I have tried the insta-cycle stuff in the past with poor results, though I'm sure others here will say they've had good luck with them.


To give you an idea: i cycled a 125gal w/ sump filtration earlier this year using 30 feeder comets and daily parameter tests taking notes. I sort of treated it like my own little experiment. I intentionally did no water changes until about 20 days in when the nitrates started spiking. The fish that survived after 5 weeks (all 8 of them) became bait at a family member's private pond, not released to wild. I wish I still had the notes I made of ammo/nitrite/nitrate to show how long the water stays crummy.
 
I have an eheim pro 3 160 gallon on both tanks.

if it makes a difference, the africans' filter was previously used. it wasn't reused right away, so i'm thinking that the useful bacteria probably died. but it was once used.

...also, can't i just get rid of a bunch of those danios?
 
I should have clarified: by used material, i mean stuff that's still wet, like out of water for maybe an hour or two tops.

Good filters! I would take one of the trays from the new tank, and pour in a cup or two of gravel from the established tank. If not possible (sand or no substrate or w/e), then swap the sponges from the filters. Put the established sponges on the new tank, and the sponges from the new tank into the established filter. That will provide at least a little bio filtration for the new tank, while not impacting the established tank very much as every surface in that tank and other filter trays are already covered in bacteria.

Getting rid of some fish will make the ill-effects of the cycle less extreme. You have to remember though, the amount of fish you're using to cycle is how much that tank will learn to handle. As an example: you have x-size tank with 10 fish in it for 4-6 months. That tank is established for those fish. If you add another 20 fish to that tank, it will take another 2-4 weeks for the bacterial colony to increase enough to handle all the new fish. Going the other way, if you have 30 fish in an established tank and then remove 25 of them, a large quantity of bacteria will die off due to lack of food. If after you removed those 25 fish, wait a few months, then add 25 fish back, the tank will suffer the same re-colonization/re-cycle issues.

The best option here, in my opinion, would be if you could partition your SA tank to hold the africans, while letting the danios cycle the new tank. That depends on the temperature and ph requirements of your africans compared to your SA.

Even still, you will want to find some way to seed the bacterial colony in the new tank as this will speed up the cycle process and is much easier to do with an already established tank in the house. You will also want to monitor ammonia/nitrite every/every-other day and do frequent water changes to keep these values under control until you see your nitrate levels start to really climb.
 
Are they a pain in the ass because we love them so much, or do we love it so much because they're a pain in the ass?

I called my local fish guy who I believe is super knowledgeable,(but I try not to bother too much) and he said I shouldn't hv done this- but now that its done, i should just leave it this way. He's more worried that these Africans will kill the Africans that I want in the tank after it cycles.

My answer to him was that I'm not married to these guys - that I'm happy to relocate them once the tank cycles... But I guess I'd prefer it if it didn't come to that?


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