Discus 'wasting' away

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cockroach

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i have a 60gal discus tank quite heavily planted with 400gal an hour filtration (but done in a way that doesnt cause a lot of water movement or turbulence) and a lot of biological filtration. its been up and running for almost a year now with out any incidence.

i went away during Christmas and my house mate fed them. i have five discus between 2 and 5inches, one blue diamond, one giant turquoise, one malboro red one red and one blue and red hybrid.

the malboro has not been growing like the others and when i came back from holiday she was paper thin. i think she was being bullied away from the food. i have been feeding them carefully and she is eating till her tummy is bulging but she just doent put on weight. why could this be?

and my giant turquoise which is only slighty the largest is so concearned with gaurding the food nets that he doesnt seem to eat enough and is getting thinner.

i noticed a while back one had intestinal infection or parasites and dosed the whole tank twice since then with internal and external medictaion. what could be causing these two fish to "waste" away like this?

my water parameters are fine as the malboro and the turquoise have paired off and laid eggs a coupla times, except recently. i do a 30% water change at least once a week and feed them a little tetra discus bits in the morning and then frozen brine shrimp at night put into the food nest to thaw where they can then eat it through the net.

i also have 7 flying foxes for algae control(but they are about as useful as an udder on a bull) and two humbug catfish to clean any leftovers on the gravel. all these fish have been medicated together.

hope this is enough info to help and any advice will be greatly appreciated.

thanks
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To me it sounds like parasites, I would def treat for that. I hear that garlic extract works great and fish tend to love it, give that a go.
 
Most definetly sounds like an internal parasite problem. Either tapeworms or nematodes/roundworms. I would treat the whole tank for both either way. Treat for tapeworms first with Prazi, then a week later treat for the nematodes with levamisole or flubendazole. This should help A LOT. Most likely it is a nematode problem as they are more of the problem here in the US than tapeworms with discus.

Garlic is meant to be used as a preventative type food...not as a cure all type food to fix an active problem. Even then, the garlic extracts do nothing more than smell funky. To get the full benefits of garlic, you must use freshly crushed garlic during every feeding...not something that has been crushed for a few days, or a few hours even. Do some research on something called Alicin...its a natural chemical found in garlic that is responsible for its "anti-parasitic" properties. Read a good article on it and you'll discover why all of the garlic additives into fish food these days are pure crap, and nothing more than a marketing ploy. Another one of those "feel good, do nothing" type product hypes.

-Ryan
 
Definitely treat for parasites. As long as the water quality is good, I can't see any other source of the problem.
 
thanks for the advice guys. did a test today nitrite is less than 0.1 and PH is between 6.9 and 7.2. is this to high? i dont think so as the discus here are in the same kinda water and grow up in the same kind of water as mine are.

i have dosed twice for both internal andexternal parasites(the whole tank). and its been a two kmonth wait. i sometimes feed frozen blood worms, could this be a cause? or maybe the hum catfish are harbouring the parasites?

i'm thinking of removing the flying foxes and replacing with 6 hillstream loaches (Beaufortia kweichowensis). think this would be a good move? and maybe replace the humbug catfish with 6 panda corys ( corydorus panda)?
 
cockroach said:
thanks for the advice guys. did a test today nitrite is less than 0.1 and PH is between 6.9 and 7.2. is this to high? i dont think so as the discus here are in the same kinda water and grow up in the same kind of water as mine are.

i have dosed twice for both internal andexternal parasites(the whole tank). and its been a two kmonth wait. i sometimes feed frozen blood worms, could this be a cause? or maybe the hum catfish are harbouring the parasites?

i'm thinking of removing the flying foxes and replacing with 6 hillstream loaches (Beaufortia kweichowensis). think this would be a good move? and maybe replace the humbug catfish with 6 panda corys ( corydorus panda)?
If they are not wild Discus the pH should be just fine.

What meds are you using to treat the fish at this point? I never heard of parasites on bloodworms, I do not think it is even possible becaue they are in fact frozen...

Not sure how will the loaches will do but Corys are one of the most famous tankmate for Discus. :thumbsup:
 
i am inclined to say parasites, and i agree that garlic extract would be a very good idea to mix with the food. also depending on what kind of parasites they might be, also use that metro...zole stuff or focus. peace out-
 
Have you tried the medicated antiparasite food? sometimes treating the water is not enough.
 
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