Discussion of some ethical issues

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I like to keep animals. I am also a conservationist. This leads to some interesting conflicts. I want to post a few thoughts of mine and see what you all think.

I. Ethics of husbandry

I will take it as read that no one on this forum believes keeping animals in captivity is unethical in itself. However, I think many or most of us believe that it is unethical to keep an animal in poor, stressful, or unhealthy conditions. We all make mistakes of course, and most of us have kept animals in situations we ought not to have, through ignorance or poor planning. This forum and other sources of information are a great way to improve general husbandry, but they are passive methods which only apply to those hobbyists who choose to take an interest. I am interested in more active methods for reducing poor husbandry practices.

Different animals of course have different husbandry requirements. Some are relatively easy to keep for a typical beginning hobbyist with a modest budget, but many commonly sold animals require larger or more sophisticated setups than the typical hobbyist can provide. These animals often end up dying unnecessarily, harming humans, or being released when they prove difficult. What can we do to ameliorate this issue?

1. Ban advanced species. This is probably the cheapest, easiest, and most used method, but it may hurt the overall hobby and business of fishkeeping. I also believe it may hurt the species themselves; if a valuable wild species suddenly becomes worthless, there is no longer an incentive to protect its habitat or harvest it sustainably.

2. Require permits for advanced species. This is an expensive and labor-intensive option, but I believe it could be an effective one. Those hobbyists who wish to keep large or specialized species must apply for permits; the permitting process would involve both a fee (supporting the enforcement and distribution of permits) and testing to ensure that the permittee understands the care requirements of the species he wants. This will no doubt reduce the demand for those species, but I believe the subsequent rise in price would offset this, avoiding the sudden worthlessness scenario described above.

3. Place a 'luxury tax' on advanced species. This would raise the price of these species and hopefully discourage uninformed beginners from considering them. Less thorough but cheaper than option 2.


Please discuss. I will add more topics later.
 
In my opinon, 'Uninformed Beginers' should recieve guidance from their LFS if they find a fish they like but isn't suitable for their aquarium. I think some LFS staff just sell the fish without knowing where it's going. Most LFS will have one or 2 very knowledgble staff that care for their fish and check what homes the mini monster is going to, but if you're getting served by the weekend student that's just there to make a bit of money then he's just going to sell a fish to a beginer and not worry about checking it's going to the right sized aquarium, passing on it's feeding habits, checking it won't eat or be eaten by it's tank mates, etc. Oscars being a prime example of this.
 
i view it as keeping animals helps the population grow through breeding pets, but sometimes people take it too far. theres a very fine line here and i have a feeling im gonna like these responses
 
the problem with these arguements is that then who decides what is an 'advanced species' and what would be the criteria for a species to be designated as such
 
if its a near extinct species or even close to it chances are if you aren't being backed up with a group of specialists you cant get anything.

then again, i dont even wanna think about getting my hands on something thats very critical cause i dont have the resources for something like that.
 
SMPage, Cichlaholics- Yes, that is an issue, and any definitions would necessarily be somewhat arbitrary and contentious.

Satan's Goldfish- That would be ideal, but I can see no real way to bring that situation about. Unless human safety is involved, ill-informed sales people giving you bad advice is perfectly legal.

bfhslilred93- Unfortunately captive animals are essentially biologically dead and cannot count towards the species' total population. However, I believe captive-bred populations can relieve pressure on wild populations while still encouraging conservation of those wild populations (people are more concerned about familiar animals).
 
lunk71- please elaborate.

MrHayes- I'm not really talking about imperiled species here. I'm talking about things like arowanas, high-fin sharks, green iguanas, Burmese pythons, etc.- species that are common in the trade but are difficult to provide proper care for.
 
Noto;2762661; said:
lunk71- please elaborate.

MrHayes- I'm not really talking about imperiled species here. I'm talking about things like arowanas, high-fin sharks, green iguanas, Burmese pythons, etc.- species that are common in the trade but are difficult to provide proper care for.

oh in that case i have no idea, i know that most of those you listed are kinda pricey and most beginners wouldnt do buy something like that until they've gained some experience, unless they just have money to spend..

anyway, it would take a very caring dealer to go through the process of making sure the fish could be cared for, most of the time stores will sell you something knowing it'll die. so maybe it would be a good idea to have to show some sort of certificate or permit for the dealers and the buyer
 
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