I saw a Dovii for the first time (in person) at Atlantis, a fish store in Terre Haute, IN. last summer. He was huge, easily 20 inches. They had him in a pretty small tank at the time, but I can only assume that was temporary. They had a big, beautiful GT (probably 10 to 12 inches) in the same tank on my previous visit. It's a fun store to check out if anyone lives within driving distance.