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FishKeepingNoob

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Of course my first post had to be asking for opinions. :| Hopefully, I can be forgiven. :)

I'll make the story quick. Bought the first aquarium(10 gallon) for the kids for Christmas. Bought a few cute fish all at the same time with no research whatsoever. One of those was an Oscar. Obviously, a couple fish disappeared and one got big...FAST. Since I was on a budget, I kept scouring Craiglist til I found a bigger tank I could transfer the O to. Found and bought a 75 a couple of months ago.

Everything has been fine but I've been thinking about a couple of tankmates for the O. I know the 75 is small and adding a couple more fish could technically overstock it so I ended up buying a 20 gallon long tank to make into a wet/dry filter and sump. I've been overloading my brain researching all sorts of designs for this.

Current setup is 75 gallon with a single Oscar(approx 8 months old). Pea gravel, a few rocks from a Tennessee river, and a java fern and some star moss. Emperor 400 HOB. Temp @ 78. Ph has been around 7.6-7.7 every time. No nitrites or ammonia. And between 10-20 ppm Nitrates(hard to tell due to color chart). 15-20% water change once every 10 days or so.

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This is the first design. Wet/dry. Water comes in on right. The pink is a piece of UG filter. The Blue on top is some sort of foam or sponge that will get suspended matter out of the water. Water rises up and spills onto a drip plate(lt green). Water then cascades onto bio balls or pot scrubbers. Water then goes into section 3 under the divider. The blue is another piece of sponge/foam to further filter out particulates. Finally, water rises up and over final divider into sump area which houses the heater and pump. Obviously, it's not drawn to scale. My original design was much more complex since I like to overengineer things so I decided to use something a little simpler. I like this idea ok but I started reading about nitrates and how to remove them with a refugium since it will allow anaerobic bacteria to live. I only have 2-3 inches of gravel in the main tank. So I designed this:

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The sand will be several 4-6" deep providing plenty of depth for anaerobic bacteria to live(right?). And I'd have some plants here too.

Now I'm seeing people advise against sumps for planted tanks. I don't know how many plants constitutes a "planted tank" but if a sump will be a detriment to having plants do well, I may reconsider the idea. I can probably reduce the water agitation and go to a completely wet filter and remove the drip plate to compromise. Or if I really want plants, I might just add a CO2 setup.

So, this turned out to be longer than expected. I'll try to summarize what I want with these questions:

1) Which design is better for what I want? The fuge will give me an extra chance to lower Nitrate levels. And would be good for growing plants until they are big enough to plant in the main tank.

2) How much water should I keep in the sump section?

3) What size pump could I use?

Thanks for any help. I'll be checking in with the questions I forgot to ask. :ROFL:
 
You can use a sump with a planted setup and not need CO2 addition. I used a 55g sump on a 125g planted tank, and had plants growing so well I needed to cull some out every weekend.

Option one is an interesting concept that I haven't seen before (the UG plate). the only problem is you'd get a lot of debris settling under it and need to clean/vacuum it out periodically.

The second one is better, although you don't need to use sand. Just use plants in the filter, and they will suck up all your nitrates. You just need to make sure to give them plenty of light, or they won't do well. Water hyacinth is a good plant that grows extremely well in variable conditions, as is water lettuce.

How big (in inches) is the oscar, and what fish are you planning on adding?

how are you going to drain the water to the sump? Are you drilling the 75g tank, or are you using a HOB style overflow?
 
I plan on making an overflow box since my tank isn't drilled. Was curious about utilizing a Durso standpipe to keep the noise down but haven't seen any setups using a durso in an overflow box(I'm sure there are, just haven't looked yet).

The Oscar is 6-7". Everywhere I look, people suggest a different type of fish to get along with an Oscar. It really seems like trial and error unfortunately. I haven't made any decisions in stone yet, so I'm still open for suggestions on tankmates.

I just used UG plates in the diagram in place of egg crates since I have them already. And I figured taking out the foam filter and cleaning in the first one wouldn't be but a 5 minute job at most.

P.S. How do you edit your posts???
 
There is an excellent sticky for overflow boxes on the DIY site. I believe CHOMPERS is the OP for that sticky. If in doubt about something like the Overflow boxes, pumps sizing, thickness of viewing glas/tanks, always check the sticky's first and view them in their entirity. The sticky's are worth their weight in gold. Good Luck on the w/d sump build.
 
Alright, I'm pretty sure this is the design I'm going with:

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Similar to the 2nd design, although I added another divider after the fuge to catch any plant particles that may have loosened. I also moved the heater to the 2nd part(or fuge if it doesn't fit). In the case where the pump removes all the water in the sump, the heater won't be dry. I cracked one heater by letting it become unsubmerged briefly.

The box on top of the sump/filter will have a few layers of increasing fineness filter material. It will then empty onto a drip plate. That will cascade water onto pot scrubbers/bio balls. The scrubbers will extend below the water line a couple of inches. Then I will add poly/floss which will fill the rest of the first partition down to the egg crate(will actually be plexi drilled with big holes). I still want some kind of substrate in the fuge as of now so maybe sand, or gravel. The rest is explanatory I think. However, I have some questions I have been researching but want some extra feedback if any can be provided.

I'd like go with an 8-10 turnover rate. 75 gallon with 20g sump. It will have to pump up 4'. I'm thinking a 1.25" pipe size will be sufficient as the sticky says that will flow 937.5 gph.

I've searched around on here for advice on pump brands, and size. Lots of conflicting info. I want something that will suffice, but not break the bank. Quiet Ones are in my budget and appear to be rebuildable according to a couple of posts on here. Some hate them though.

Cliffs:

What size pump?
Good pump that balances cost/performance?
 
Ok, I got all my pieces cut for the dividers, drip plates, separators, etc. Now, I'm curious about flow rates under these dividers and between.

I was going to space them 1.25" off the bottom and 1.25" apart. I don't know how much water that will flow(1.25" X 12"). As long as I don't hinder the flow coming into the sump/filter, I'm ok but I also don't want to waste space that can be used to expand the sump and fuge. I'm guessing I'm going to end up flowing around 600-800 gph once it's all done.

Thoughts?
 
Wow! You went from noob to advanced keeping in a short amount of time! :)

Usually it takes people years to get to where you've gotten in such a short amount of time. I have a feeling your sump is going to turn out just fine.

And welcome to MFK!
 
Hey thanks! :D I know I have a LOT to learn though.

I drilled 345 holes for the drip plate today. Took way too long, lol. I got hooked up on a lot of mirror backed acrylic so as of right now, all I have invested in the tank/acrylic is the $4 tube of silicone and some time.

After this, I need to find a project for all this acrylic.:ROFL:
 
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