Thanks! The ornate came from the lfs with a gimpy front right fin. The top outer edge is curled over lol. The EBJD unfortunatly has been through alot, as he was my first fish. Strong lil bugger lol. I got him from a lfs called pet-pourri.(sp? lol) they are in Everett, WA. This was one of their first stock, and since then they have not received anything comprable. They all have strange coloring or odd shapes.