effect of nitrate on fish lifespan

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I've purposely stocked fish in my tank that are long lived (balas, clowns, tinfoils, plec, giant gourami, even my denissons are quite capable of living for 10 years). I much prefer the idea of my fish being with me for years and years rather than getting fish with a 2 or 3 years lifespan for instance. So, in theory, as long as they stay disease free, don't eat one another, have any accidents along the way and of course as long as i look after their water and feed them properly, then they should, you'd hope, live for the duration, and maybe even longer than what the "experts" say they should. So, just say for example that this is exactly what's going on in my tank, everythings perfect and my fish live and live and live for years and years.
Now we all know the long term effects of ammonia and nitrite, your fish will die, probably in the short term, let alone long term. But what about nitrate? Everybody has their own view on acceptable levels. Some strive for 5-10ppm, others 20-40ppm. Others aren't too worried if their levels hit 80 or 100ppm and some people don't test for nitrate at all and just rely on their partials to keep the levels down without actually doing any physical test.
I've read that the only level of nitrate that is 100% safe is 0ppm. Anything above this is effecting the fish, albeit in a slow way (depending on the level). 0ppm nitrate in an open expanse of lake etc is probably the norm but 0ppm in an aquarium is virtually impossible so each and every one of us in the hobby is stuck with nitrate very very very slowly killing our fish.
This brings me to the burning question which probably only the very experienced hobbyists out there may have a definitive answer to. Is there any answer to how long you can expect to lose off any fishes expected lifespan through the day to day contact with nitrate. Or (and i hope this is the case for all of us), is there a cut off point in nitrate level where some level of nitrate won't effect the fishes lifespan one iota. I don't know, anyone any theories?
 
Great question but I can not give a clear cut answer. Maybe someone else can. Not even sure if a proven study was ever been done. I believe many will simply be assuming if they say it impacts how long they will live. I know a lady that smokes 4 packs a day which is crazy considering the price cigarettes and she is 80. Another guy late 80's said he has been smoking since 12. Read 2 days ago a lady 105 smokes several packs a day. So even the smoking thing is a debate
 
As far as I know, there's no definitive answer to this question. While it is detrimental, it affects fish on an species/individual basis. I compare this along the lines of "second hand smoking". While studies have proven SHS to be detrimental to human health, it affects individuals quite randomly in severity.
 
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also many other things will affect your fish such as stress levels, diet, fitness, tank size.
 
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From studies I've read, I'll agree with xraycer. Some fish are way more tolerable than others. For the specific fish you though, I don't know how it effects those particular species.
Nitrates are toxic. No matter the quantity. So they'll have some effect.
Another thing to consider when it comes to life span are the genes of the fish.
I had a peacock cichlid that was about 4 years old and just died from one day to the next. I recently lost some barbs after about two years. While some other barbs (specie) that a purchased at the same time are still alive.
Another thing to consider is diet. The wrong diet can shorten lifespans too.

There just more to consider than nitrates than nitrates if you want your fish to have long lives. Some are in our control and some aren't.
 
While it is detrimental, it affects fish on an species/individual basis. I compare this along the lines of "second hand smoking". While studies have proven SHS to be detrimental to human health, it affects individuals quite randomly in severity.

Well said......

Genetic predisposition within the species, and even individuals within the species, will all factor in to how much stress (in this case water quality) each fish can face before it has a negative affect on them.
 
I think it would be fair to say that nitrates are to fish what tobacco is to humans. It effects individuals in different ways. You can die young of lung cancer without ever smoking and could live to 100 and smoke 40 a day. If that theory is put to my burning question then i may never get an answer if i live till i'm 100! Happy water changes everybody, haha!
 
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Correct, but no matter how you slice it, just like smoking does in humans, nitrates will have a negative effect on fish - the only question that remains is how much. So in practice best to attempt to mimic nature and keep nitrate levels as low as possible. It only stands to reason that the more one flushes a fishes toilet, the healthier they will be.
 
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