Eibli angel question

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Shane Dewar

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im thinking of getting a Eibli dwarf angel but i just wanted to know if they are reef safe,ive heard mixed reveiws where some people say the will nip at corals and others say they have never bothered anything, i have some xenia,frogspawn and i want to get a hammer coral
what are your experiences with these fish and do u think it will be safe for me to get 1
 
Keeping a eibli angelfish in a reef tank is a gamble. It depends on the individual. Some may nip at the corals, and others will ignore them.
 
My coral beauty was the 4th fish I added (1st 3- Onyx Clown, Gramma, Damsel) - he ate 3 polyp colonies (Nuclear Green,Purple,Yellow Star) after I started adding Tangs w/ regular seedweed feedings the Dwarf Angel stopped eating Corals - period. It's all about thier diet.
 
I will also say it just isn't worth the risk IMO. I would say that more likely than not it will pick, though it's possible it won't. Keeping it really really well fed will lessen the chance of it picking, but not prevent it. It may pick right away, start picking 6 months or more down the road, or never start picking, but if it does how mad are you going to be when your favorite coral is dying? That is the question you have to answer. If you love the fish more than any coral you have, then go ahead, otherwise I wouldn't do it.
 
Generally speaking, when they reffer to them niping at corals they mean just that, they take a bite at it or two then leave it alone, and in a healthy colony this shouldn't be a big problem even if it gets nipped every day (by healthy I mean reasonably large with good growth rates). Well fed fish (that aren't "coral eaters") will either ignore or rarely pick at corals or clam mantels, Just like Otherone said, it's about diet, if fed properly with both meaty items and nori (or vegi flakes but nori is better as it's in the tank all day so they can graze when needed) ominvorus angles shouldn't be damaging to corals, as they are not a stardard food item for them (zooplanton and algea being standard).
 
Generally speaking, when they reffer to them niping at corals they mean just that, they take a bite at it or two then leave it alone, and in a healthy colony this shouldn't be a big problem even if it gets nipped every day (by healthy I mean reasonably large with good growth rates). Well fed fish (that aren't "coral eaters") will either ignore or rarely pick at corals or clam mantels, Just like Otherone said, it's about diet, if fed properly with both meaty items and nori (or vegi flakes but nori is better as it's in the tank all day so they can graze when needed) ominvorus angles shouldn't be damaging to corals, as they are not a stardard food item for them (zooplanton and algea being standard).

Large with good growth rates is something a lot of people don't have. If you have a bunch of frags, it can quickly be a problem. I had a female scribbled and juve. emperor in with an assortment of frags. The angels got fed like 8 times a day and were fat as hell and still were picking at even chalices and montis frequently. They would then eat the mucus off.

I have never seen a tank with angels in it that had good polyp extension. That means the angels are picking at the polyps. It will happen. I agree it shouldn't kill them, but they will constantly be stressed and not thriving.

I will also disagree and say that many angels do eat corals as part of their diet. They naturally pick at sponges and corals because it is a portion of their diet. How much does vary on species.

I just don't think it is a good idea and a very small minority of people end up having success with angels in their reef.
 
Hmm... when I put less of a bias on my other post I actually have to partly agree with Nonstophoops... for one, most people don't feed more then once or twice a day, even though all fish besides the big preds feed almost all the time all day. Second, he is right as most people are have frags... not large healthy colonies... though I was very specific about that part so you cant fault me haha. Secondly I forget that most systems house fish in much smaller spaces then they are used to in the wild, yes you can keep a pygmy angel in a 30gal, but if you want it to be safer with your corals you need a bigger tank, with more corals lol. More grazing space means less over all damage to individual colonies. I also forget, that most systems do not have vast quanities of live food in them at all times. As in the past mine had everything from brineshrimp, to copepods, to amphipods, to shrimp (mysid and similar), to colonies of algea ("edible" macros) at all times. I've found with diversity like this it helps reduce how much my omivors and carnivors pick at my corals or other fish between feedings. That said I understand why most people don't, as it takes either alot of effort to culture and dose these on a regular basis, or alot of money to buy on a regular basis.

I should have been more specific about the eating habits, I ment omivorus pygmy angels (or dwarf what ever you preffer name wise) do not usually consume corals as part of their diets. The two you reffer to from your experiences are not pygmy, they are full on angels haha which is a different story. So I did a little more research into it and pygmy angels generally consume mostly algea in the wild, wile also picking up the occational zooplankter (singular for zooplankton for those who don't know) or other similar meaty items, though sponges may be a food item as well (nothing mentioned about other corals just sponges). Where as large angels, like emperor and the like, are known to regularily consume sponges, encrusting organisms, algea, tunicates (sorta fall into the sponge catagory), hydroids (related to jellyfish and corals), bryozoans (relative of corals), as well as assorted zooplankton and shrimp and the like.

So in IMO I wouldn't have a problem adding pygmy angels into a system, assuming regular feedings and with nori sheets available in the tank at all times (prefferably in multiple locations). As for large angels like emperors, I would only add them to very mature systems, with large healthy colonies, and even then would keep a close eye on them for a wile to make sure no coral in peticular was taking the brunt of its nibbling.
 
Oh, and I should mention there are a few large angels I wouldn't have a problem adding to any system, namely Bellus, Lamarck's, Spotbreast, and Watanabi to name a few, as they are planktivorous meaning they only consume Zooplankton.
 
Oh, and I should mention there are a few large angels I wouldn't have a problem adding to any system, namely Bellus, Lamarck's, Spotbreast, and Watanabi to name a few, as they are planktivorous meaning they only consume Zooplankton.

Good posts. Good things to clear up to give people a better understanding. I guess my example was a poor one, but those 2 are the only angels I have tried in a reef tank because I have seen so many tanks with little polyp extension that have pygmy angels in them. The only reason I tried those 2 was I already had them when I got the reef ich(and not the parasite). So that is why I don't have any angels in my tank, but others are welcome to try.

The genicanthus group is a good group for keeping in a reef, but they need tanks of at least 125 gallons. They get pretty big and swim a lot. I actually plan to have a pair of either Melanspilos or Bellus in my tank at some point in the near future. The Lamarck's and Watanabi are two that are occasionally known to pick in peoples tanks too. The others have a pretty clean record.
 
I have also noticed the trend being "Lets see how many fish and corals we can stuff into our new tank before we even understand what we own let alone how to properly care for it." I have been guilty myself of adding items to my tank when the tank wasn't ready for them. To stay on topic with this my example will be the purchase of an ornamental clam. The Dwarf Angel nipped the mantle til' the calm died. And to be quite honest, the problems were greater than just the angel - High Phospate, Low Mag, inadiquite Lite source, improper flow, immature tank. I thought because I was having success with Conch's, Snails, and Shrimp that the clam was an easy addition. I learned from it.

Since we went back to basics - water chemistry, research, beginner corals, and most importantly Fish First. We call are fish "Sea Deer" as they graze non-stop.The Dwarf Angel is most definately one of our "Sea Deer". In order to care for this, steps had to be taken - Norii sheets strapped to rocks on both sides of the 6 foot tank. When we used just one rock the fish spent all their time in one spot even when food wasn't present. Reef bugs - seeding the tank with eggs of micro and miniture fona to create a constant food source. Upgrading the lights to allow for photosynthetic feedings of micro and macro algaes to create food sources and help with water parameters. Adding a Phosban reactor to help stop the build up of PO4 created by a bunch of fish that eat and poop non stop. Biocarbonate(Vodka) dosing to increase reproduction of denitrfying colonies to eliminate high Nitrate caused by over stocking and over feeding. This has been an ongoing process that hasn't ended as I'm nowhere near controlling TDS(Total Dissolved Solids) or achieved a super-saturation point of magnesium required for Hard Corals.

Point being Reef w/ fish tanks don't happen overnite or possibly even within' the 1st year. It's best to take things slow and 1 step at a time. If you do go forwad with a Dwarf Angel be sure to work on the requirments of the angel before making a huge splash into corals - theres been a ton of helpful advice in this thread and personally I wish I had this thread to learn from prior to my purchase, might have saved me a couple hundred dollars and spared some dissappiontment. Best of Luck.
 
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