Equalizing overflow and return flow

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redchaser

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Finally have everything plumbed and set up on my 75. I've got ball valves on both the overflow and return. I'm getting very satisfactory flow from the overflow and have valved it back just a little to quiet the gurgle. Last night I spent hours tweeking flow rates with the ball valves on both the overflow and return, and just never seem to achieve perfect equilibrium. I used a marker to mark water levels on the sump and get seem to get it to hold absolutely steady. Any tips or ideas? Is a little fluctuation normal?


Thanks

Ron
 
your overflow should be running faster than your return
it will find its own level if this is happening
 
You should only have to adjust the return flow to match the overflows rate.

Gurgling is another matter.

How about some pix so we know what we're working with.

Dr Joe

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You should NEVER valve back your overflow. You run the risk of running your sump dry and burning up a pump. And depending on how much water is in your sump you could overflow your tank.

Keep that overflow wide open and build a durso if noise is a concern.
 
Oppps, Joe beat me. Yup, pics would be great!
 
Dr Joe;2747786; said:
You should only have to adjust the return flow to match the overflows rate.

Gurgling is another matter.

How about some pix so we know what we're working with.

Dr Joe

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It's a pvc overflow built off of the plans on th sticky thread. Can't do pics right now because my camera got broken..

What's a Durso?
 
redchaser;2747792; said:
Thanks Cambo,

I guess I was riding it too close. Evertime i'd see movement up or down I would start adjusting
yeh i no mhat you mean

to get the level right empty out you sump and tank a bit then slowly fill your tank and let it overflow into the sump
when the sump gets to the right level for you stop filling and it will stay that depth, minus a little from the water in the pipework
 
When you adjust the valves, start with them wide open. If the overflow won't handle the full volume of the pump, throttle it back until it will. Then give it a minute or two to equalize. If the flow rate looks good then move on to silencing the overflow.

For the overflow, you need to start from the wide open position and make very small adjustments. You will hear the pitch of the gurggling go up with each adjustment. When the pitch changes in larger degrees, then you are getting close. At this point, you will need to give the system more time to settle back into equilibrium before making another adjustment. (You can also find the approximate valve position by closing it until it is silent and then backing up a little.) When the overflow is completely silenced, you will need to watch the tank for a while to make sure you adjusted it correctly. Also it is a good practice to open the valve slightly to make sure that it can operate silently at a more efficient position.

Most importantly, you need a second overflow even if this one can handle all of the flow. The second is your back up in case something obstructs the first one. Its intake needs to be slightly taller than the primary overflow. When you get the primary adjusted, measure the water level above its intake and then shorten it by that amount. Use the current measurement as the backup's height (that will put your water level where the top of your overflow currently is)(you may want to tweek the surface's position).
 
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