Hey guys, I wanna start moving up on the feeder fish level and get the larger goldfish as opposed to the rosie red minnows. Is there a difference in nutritional value when feeding an Oscar, Jack dempsey, Bichir and needlenose fish? also, does anyone recommend brine shrimp for any of these fish? Please help!!!!!
Feeder Fish Question
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I dont know about the Diff in Goldfish but brine shrimp Has alot of nutritonal value and i brings out color.
There is really no reason to feeders except as the ocassional treat.
Various live fish and fry can be used for foods.Caution here unless you raise them
any commercialy bought feeders usually rosie reds/tuffies (the albino form of fat head minnows),
guppies,bait minnows etc.need to be quarantined before feeding them to your fish for several reasons.
reason 1 They are kept in horrible conditions
reason 2 They are often diseased
reason 3 They often are carriers of parasites
During quarantine dispose of the obviously sick or diseased.The remaining ones feed quality
foods a healthy feeder is of course better for your fish.
Goldfish just generaly are poor feeders and should be avoided. they are oily not very nutritious and constant feed of them causes faty deposits on the liver leading to premature deaths.They also contain very high levels of Thiaminase a destroying hormone.While many fish used as feeders contain this goldfish seem to have an abundance of it.Another issue is a spine at the front of the dorsal fin which can lead to problems if the goldfish is swollowed the wrong way (tailfirst).Yet another reason not to use goldfish,goldfish farms utilize copper meds in suspension form to combat diseases in the feeders associated with overcrowding.These copper meds are retained by the feeders for long periods after they leave the farms.Most lfs invariably retain all or part of the feeders shipping water when the feeders are loaded into their bins/tanks. And copper does not dissapate from a closed system.-Anne
Various live fish and fry can be used for foods.Caution here unless you raise them
any commercialy bought feeders usually rosie reds/tuffies (the albino form of fat head minnows),
guppies,bait minnows etc.need to be quarantined before feeding them to your fish for several reasons.
reason 1 They are kept in horrible conditions
reason 2 They are often diseased
reason 3 They often are carriers of parasites
During quarantine dispose of the obviously sick or diseased.The remaining ones feed quality
foods a healthy feeder is of course better for your fish.
Goldfish just generaly are poor feeders and should be avoided. they are oily not very nutritious and constant feed of them causes faty deposits on the liver leading to premature deaths.They also contain very high levels of Thiaminase a destroying hormone.While many fish used as feeders contain this goldfish seem to have an abundance of it.Another issue is a spine at the front of the dorsal fin which can lead to problems if the goldfish is swollowed the wrong way (tailfirst).Yet another reason not to use goldfish,goldfish farms utilize copper meds in suspension form to combat diseases in the feeders associated with overcrowding.These copper meds are retained by the feeders for long periods after they leave the farms.Most lfs invariably retain all or part of the feeders shipping water when the feeders are loaded into their bins/tanks. And copper does not dissapate from a closed system.-Anne
just keep in mind that NO nutritional values have been assesed for feeder fish it is only speculation that they are low in that area. It is also TURE that feeders do carry alot of crap and it is good to quarintine all feeder to help weed out the bad ones and make sure u know what is going in your prize fish..... you can keep your fish on a diet of feeders only BUT it is NOT a good thing keep a good varried diet in there system ,flake, sticks, krill,pellets) so they can get all the nutrition they need and also bring out the best color you can
trust me I am one of the few that advocate feeding feeders here and i know my comments have a good possiblity of getting flammed
trust me I am one of the few that advocate feeding feeders here and i know my comments have a good possiblity of getting flammed
Why don't you get a 20 gallon tank and breed Convicts for feeders? They breed like crazy and with you overseeing it, you can be assured of a safe food supply. It's what I started doing and it's worked out well so far.
can't put it better than that beblondie
especially with the new world chiclids if the diet doesn't hive all the reqd nutrients the fish gets hexamita(one of the considered reasons)
so get a varied diet and keep a happy fish
yeah feeding feeders looks good but trust me if you loose a fish because of some crappy feeder you are going to feel terrible about it
especially with the new world chiclids if the diet doesn't hive all the reqd nutrients the fish gets hexamita(one of the considered reasons)
so get a varied diet and keep a happy fish
yeah feeding feeders looks good but trust me if you loose a fish because of some crappy feeder you are going to feel terrible about it
koop171;1706900; said:
It has been established that the carp family (i.e.: "feeder fish") contain thiaminase, which is an enzyme that breaks down vitamin B1.
Too much of that enzyme can lead to a B1 deficiency.
Some fish don't have thiaminase, others do (goldfish, whitefish, etc.). Obviously these fish are consumed in the wild, but they wouldn't be the sole diet of the predator.
Would feeding a goldfish every once in a while cause harm? Who knows, I highly doubt it though. Like others said, don't make them a large component of the diet of your fish.
I vote for convicts or guppies... goldfish are too cool
I just bought an N. venustus on Saturday! I have never used live fish as a food source, but I'm considering it as an occasional treat. I have 7 goldfish though, so no way I'm feeding him comets, just wouldn't be right!!
Acer;1707305; said:It has been established that the carp family (i.e.: "feeder fish") contain thiaminase, which is an enzyme that breaks down vitamin B1.
Too much of that enzyme can lead to a B1 deficiency.
Some fish don't have thiaminase, others do (goldfish, whitefish, etc.). Obviously these fish are consumed in the wild, but they wouldn't be the sole diet of the predator.
Would feeding a goldfish every once in a while cause harm? Who knows, I highly doubt it though. Like others said, don't make them a large component of the diet of your fish.
I vote for convicts or guppies... goldfish are too cool
I just bought an N. venustus on Saturday! I have never used live fish as a food source, but I'm considering it as an occasional treat. I have 7 goldfish though, so no way I'm feeding him comets, just wouldn't be right!!
yes that is true but i have only seen reports that it will affect reptiles. and it is a nutrient but what i meant was how much protein, fat and such
