Festae, help please!!

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kel81

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Hi all, my festae are now about 12 months old, and I was expecting them to be showing some brighter colors by now. This is my first time growing out festae, so I am really unsure. Am I doing something wrong? Is it possible that I have got fish that won't have the typical bright orange/red that they are supposed to have? The fish in the pictures is clearly a female, because of the black on her fins, and the other is the male that she seems to have paired up with.ImageUploadedByMonsterAquariaNetwork1353742394.744016.jpg


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They do seem a little off to me.. especially the male with that weird body shape. Where did you get them??

Normally giving them a good size tank, quality foods,appropriate tank mates,a lot of patience, and regular water changes does the trick for me.
 
What are you feeding with?
Try feeding with live, unprocessed food, such as California & Blood worms, Boiled shrimps and more. As well, feed with color strengthener (no Hormones added!), such as Tetra-Bits and other kinds of food.

The Female show color comes usually after the first eggs laid.
Of course water changes will help as well.

I am not worried about the Male shape- I guess the photo made him look wrong.

Good luck, and keep sharing photos with us :)
 
I know that females will occasionally look washed out if they are under some sort of stress. Is there any other fish in the tank that could be picking on her? Are you water condition good?
The photos of the male do look a little funny. It could just be the angle of the photo, but it looks like his tail curves up. Does it look that way in person?
If so it makes me wonder of the quality of these fish. Did you get them from someone or from a store? They may be inbred to the point of deformities. This would explain why their colors could be off.
I'm not saying that they are poor quality. I'm just trying to help you find the answer to your problem.
 
Sorry, but I strongly disagree with most of the comments regarding this pair. The O/P's pair are deformed and very low grade. Better food, water quality, different gravel, stress or lack thereof are not going to fix an arched/deformed spine and Cloroxed color. And contrary to one respondent, females color up when they pair up, which can be as early as 3.5-4", not after laying their 1st egg. But if allowed to reach a length 6"+ prior to pairing/breeding, they tend to develop richer coloration.

There is no amount of stress that would cause a quality bred festae to bleach out under any conditions. When stressed, Festae base color goes kinda neutral, their finnage fade somewhat sometimes to an almost opaque appearance-last 2 pics below, and their bars become more distinct. This is demonstrated in the attached pics.

All these are photos of Festae in various stressful states, except the divided pair. The male in the top 2 pics are the same fish, 1st in a stressed state then in a relaxed state. The last 3 photos are the same female, 1st in a semi stressed state, then in a very stressed state after being moved to a new environment-last 2 pics. Notice the shade of the tail/fins in the 1st pic as opposed to the last 2 pics.

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There is a severe shortage of high grade festae in the hobby today causing many inexperienced and somewhat experienced hobby breeders to assume that what has mostly been seen in circulation in the past 3 years or so is the standard.

If you don't care whether you buy/breed high quality or not, then my comments do not apply to you and yours are irrevelent to me, so keep them to yourselves. If it does matter to you and you are looking to supply the hobby with HQ specimens then chime in.

These are some of the features you will "almost" never see in HQ festae:
1. Bleached out base color
2. Severely acute snouts
3. Severely arched spines
4. Drab brown/tan base at med-large sizes
5. Little to no barring in mature specimens particularly females
6. Muzzles which more or less resemble BEAKS.

Between 1-3" you should have seen barring at some point though it comes and goes in juvies. When a festae is approached by a more dominant fish they typically angle slightly sideways and exhibit strong barring as a sign of submission. If your prized specimen lacks the ability to strongly bar up under stress or submission, it will not do so when relaxed either. Rest assured you have a dud. And if someone attempts to sell you one which lacks barring claiming it to be F0, he/she is either a scammer or has been scammed is about to pin his/her loss on you.

Now indeed, there have been many photos popping up with nice coloring and sadly, people assume good color makes a HQ festae. Nothing could be further from the truth. To only focus on color and disregard structure and the standards set forth by/in nature, is amateurish, IMHO.

Obviously a small percentage of defects can occur even in HQ Festae such as underdevelopment in smaller, weaker fry, but either nature or stronger fry typically eliminate these lesser ones, ensuring only the stronger, more viable individuals survive and propagate.

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"There is no amount of stress that would cause a quality bred festae to bleach out under any conditions. When stressed, Festae base color goes kinda neutral, their finnage fade somewhat sometimes to an almost opaque appearance."

Forgive me if I miss understand, But dont these two sentences contradict each other?



"their finnage fade somewhat sometimes to an almost opaque appearance."

This is what I mean, about females looking washed out when stressed.
 
"There is no amount of stress that would cause a quality bred festae to bleach out under any conditions. When stressed, Festae base color goes kinda neutral, their finnage fade somewhat sometimes to an almost opaque appearance."

Forgive me if I miss understand, But dont these two sentences contradict each other?
"their finnage fade somewhat sometimes to an almost opaque appearance."
This is what I mean, about females looking washed out when stressed.

When read carefully, there is no contradiction. Base color refers to the body. Finnage is a no brainer. They are clearly given separate attention in my post. My statements also referred specifically to the bleached appearance of the o/p's female and whether it is caused by some stressor.

Your original statement didn't specify finnage when referring to being washed out.

A washed out festae is one that never attains the complete coloration of a sexually mature adult. It's permanent.

The O/P's female certainly falls under the washed out category. In 12 mos barring should have appeared. Either at sexual maturity which she has attained as she is paired up, or stress as I have outlined.

Mood induced color change is not considered washed out. It's only temporary and mood based in Festae.

Washed out festae. I am showing Females since it's more apparent in them than in males.
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Wow guys, thank you all so much for your advice. They are in a 4ftX2ftX2ft tank, with another pair of festae who are the less dominant pair. The female in the pic has never showed any bars at all, even when she was fighting with the the other female in the tank, to claim her place as the dominant female.
I searched high and low for these fish, found someone who stocked them in their shop, and paid top $$$ to have them shipped to me. But I guess it's a risk that I took, I didn't look into them any further, and took the first ones I came across. I would be lying if I said that I didn't feel a little disappointed, but it is a lesson that I have learnt from!


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Bomillyiam, I do agree with everything you have posted. I guess the term of "washed out" has a different meaning than what I was using it for. To me the word "Bleached" gives a more permanent sound to saying the fishes color is permanent.
I just wanted to give the benefit of a doubt that maybe it was just some poor quality photography. Sorry for the misunderstanding no disrespect intended.
 
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