Hi everyone. Well first i'd like to start off with saying lets not get too nasty here, but we do have the right to freedom of speech and personal opinion. I would like to create a thread where everyone can discuss this dispute over festae being quality or not. Over the last year, I have heard alot about the majority of festae being sold in the hobby being considered trash. Remember everyone, there is a possibility of this thread hurting peoples feelings. The truth does hurt and i figured its about time to get things straight for everyone and keep the trash off the streets!!! SO lets try so be as respectful as possible and i dont see any harm in discussing where your fish was bought from or sold too; hobbiests or vendors.
Up until about August i have had more than my fair share of what is being considered trash. And i was completely unaware of this until then. I met some very knowledgable people here on MFK who educated me on quality vs trash. These people is who i bought my festae from and are the only sources, aside from ecuador itself, where i'll ever buy from again!!! I would really like to have them chime in as well on their own accord, as well as everyone else here on MFK. I am not the most experienced when it comes to DNA and being able to describe exactly, but what i have learned is what to look for (ex: High profile, solid bars, strong mouths, colors, strong genetics, and quality bloodlines (unrelated).
As far as the unrelated thing goes.. F1, F0- as long as the F1 were from two unrelated pairs then they themselves are just as clean and good as any wild caught fish. which is great to market cause that is pretty much as good as it gets. Now F1's can be bred to siblings with no problems and still have the potential to produce better looking fish than the parents themselves. but beyond that i wouldnt personally continue breeding siblings especially to sell. Because now the genes are getting washed down. I would like to use an example of breeding champion bloodlines with dogs to help some people understand what im trying to get at with festae. so basically if you breed quality fish together it = quality fry. if you breed one quality fish to trash it = trash!!
There is also great debate on this forum of someone selling wild festae and whether they're actually wild or not?? well who am i to say one way or the other because i have no proof. even thou it does make me skeptical having such a continous source of these f0 festae??? Anyway i have seen and heard alot of these festae being spread into the hobby but where are they now?? and how big are they?? i have only seen a slight few even make it into adulthood and less than half of that actually spawn. I mean there has to have been hundreds sold and only a handful to show?? now is that trash or is that a result of how they are cared for??
There are plenty of people out here with quality festae but may not be as active on public forums as the rest of us. But there are more people with low quality festae and are breeding and spreading them around. The last thing i am trying to do is say that i am the only one with quality festae because that is obviously not true!! My goal here is to get information from the experts to help inform the uninformed as to whats out there and how to tell the difference. Like i stated earlier, the only festae i will ever buy again are from my connections and Ecuador itself. Because IMO the Festae from Ecuador are the best hands down!! there are some nice Peruvians out there and i sold a very nice pair, but its just not what im looking for.
Up until about August i have had more than my fair share of what is being considered trash. And i was completely unaware of this until then. I met some very knowledgable people here on MFK who educated me on quality vs trash. These people is who i bought my festae from and are the only sources, aside from ecuador itself, where i'll ever buy from again!!! I would really like to have them chime in as well on their own accord, as well as everyone else here on MFK. I am not the most experienced when it comes to DNA and being able to describe exactly, but what i have learned is what to look for (ex: High profile, solid bars, strong mouths, colors, strong genetics, and quality bloodlines (unrelated).
As far as the unrelated thing goes.. F1, F0- as long as the F1 were from two unrelated pairs then they themselves are just as clean and good as any wild caught fish. which is great to market cause that is pretty much as good as it gets. Now F1's can be bred to siblings with no problems and still have the potential to produce better looking fish than the parents themselves. but beyond that i wouldnt personally continue breeding siblings especially to sell. Because now the genes are getting washed down. I would like to use an example of breeding champion bloodlines with dogs to help some people understand what im trying to get at with festae. so basically if you breed quality fish together it = quality fry. if you breed one quality fish to trash it = trash!!
There is also great debate on this forum of someone selling wild festae and whether they're actually wild or not?? well who am i to say one way or the other because i have no proof. even thou it does make me skeptical having such a continous source of these f0 festae??? Anyway i have seen and heard alot of these festae being spread into the hobby but where are they now?? and how big are they?? i have only seen a slight few even make it into adulthood and less than half of that actually spawn. I mean there has to have been hundreds sold and only a handful to show?? now is that trash or is that a result of how they are cared for??
There are plenty of people out here with quality festae but may not be as active on public forums as the rest of us. But there are more people with low quality festae and are breeding and spreading them around. The last thing i am trying to do is say that i am the only one with quality festae because that is obviously not true!! My goal here is to get information from the experts to help inform the uninformed as to whats out there and how to tell the difference. Like i stated earlier, the only festae i will ever buy again are from my connections and Ecuador itself. Because IMO the Festae from Ecuador are the best hands down!! there are some nice Peruvians out there and i sold a very nice pair, but its just not what im looking for.
