the tank itself has been set up for years.... not with all the inhabitants... just with my 2 original toads... over the past few months everyone is getting rid of there toads and newts so i take them instead of let them be released into the wild, like past said i appreciate the advice kearth but i know what im doing, and the other viv is being set up... my money doesnt grow on trees so when i get the money i do the job.. they arent in urgent danger or being kept in a dirty garbage can.. the tank is clean well kept and they are well fed..... you make it seem like i have 400 frogs and newts in a blender with sewer water... its 4 young toads and 2 newts all of same size in a 20 gal... if what you were giving is advice than thank you... however if you were trying to make me look ignorant than thats not appreciated cause i take good care of all my pets....