First Red Belly | Planted Tank! ***Newb Alert***

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Red Rhom

Feeder Fish
MFK Member
Mar 6, 2014
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SPECS
* 6 Red Bellies: 7" (2), 6" (2), 5" (1), and 4.5" (1)
* 11 Aquatic Plants: Amazon Sword (1), Anacharis (4), Java Fern (2), Anubias cotton-threaded on Driftwood (1), Floating Moss Balls (3)
* 120 Gallon Tank (48"L x 24"W x 24"H)
* AquaTerra 3D Background — Amazon Tree
* Insta-Cling 5% Window Tints for tank sides
* Glass Tops
* Wooden Stand
* Lighting: Current 16 Bulb (T-5) 50 / 50 (Actinic / White)
* Canister Filtration: Fluval FX5, Fluval 405
* In-Tank Bio Filtration: 2 sponge barriers containing ~200+ pot scrubbers behind the 3D background
* AquaUltraviolet UV Sterilizer 25 watts
* Powerheads: Marineland Maxi-Jet 1200, Petco Brand Powerhead 60
* Whisper AP 150 Air Pump
* Airstone
* Heaters: 300 watt Top Fin (2)
* Thermometer
* CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Substrate (red)
* Lava Rocks (3)
* Driftwood (XL - 36")
* Stress Zyme, Stress Coat, AmQuel Plus

PLANNING
My goal is to setup an Amazon River flooded forest biotope. I plan on stocking tankmates with disregard to if they get eaten or not. 10 Neon Tetras, 6 Tiger Barbs, and 1 Siamese Algae Eater to handle any unpleasant algae growth.

Right now I'm preparing myself for the boring as all heck cycling process. So I will not be bringing my 6 sub-adult Red Bellies home until Ammonia and Nitrites are undetected in my water quality test results. Can anyone please fill me in on any potential ways to drastically cut down the cycle time?

My design strategy was to have all equipment and filtration hidden, enabling me to keep the tank setup as natural looking as possible. I had to cut my 3D background in half and solicone it back together once inside the tank to avoid removing my center bracing.

I used a holesaw to cut 5 holes into the background (two at each far-end of the top as overflows, one gravel level as the out-take on the far-right, one gravel level as the in-take on the far-left, and one mid-center cutout as an additional in-take). All holes are grated and siliconed with pet-proof vinyl window screening.

BEHIND THE BACKGROUND
My plan is to have a clockwise water flow. I have the Fluval FX5 and Fluval 405 in-takes at each in-take cutout. I have both out-takes at the same sole out-take cutout at gravel level on the far-right. Two 300w heaters are at each end behind the background to ensure even temperature distribution.

The Petco Powerhead 60 (rated for 60 gallon tanks) is placed behind the background to control the flow of my in-tank behind the background bio filtration. I figured since it is a much smaller space in volume I could use the Petco Powerhead 60 instead of the Marineland Maxi-Jet 1200.

I put used sponge barriers as a pre-filter to contain ~200+ pot scrubbers as bio-filtration housing behind the 3D background. I figured with the Fluval Fx5 and 405 in tandem with my behind the background bio-filtration, I'd have all the filtration that I'd need to maintain my aqua-stock without any hiccups.

ONLY EQUIPMENT IN VIEWING AREA
I was concerned that by not having my either of my in-take/out-takes in front of the background that I'd simply be filtering only the water behind the background over and over and over. So my solution to make sure some water flow actually makes it from the front of the tank to behind the background where all 3 filters are, was to have the Marineland Maxi-Jet 1200 powerhead as the sole piece of equiment viewable. Hopefully that will aid the water flow and circulation to push things to the meshed holes where the in-takes are.

My one foolish question, can anyone tell me what the difference is between a "powerhead" and a "water circulator". That would really help me out in this potential planning flaw.

Lastly, if anyone sees any other issues or flaws with my planning, setup, filtration, aquascape (plants), and amount of stock (fish) please feel free to advise.

I'll try to throw some pics up of what I've done so far by the end of the week. I have this awful feeling that once I try to turn these two canisters on I'm gonna flood my freaking living room! They're used and I've got no manual ------> *eEek*
 
>My goal is to setup an Amazon River flooded forest biotope

Neither all plants you list nor all fish you propose are from the Amazon?! Not sure what aspect of your plan would make it a biotope tank then ?!

Nice tank, good setup, just not an Amazon biotope ...


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>My goal is to setup an Amazon River flooded forest biotope

Neither all plants you list nor all fish you propose are from the Amazon?! Not sure what aspect of your plan would make it a biotope tank then ?!

Nice tank, good setup, just not an Amazon biotope ...


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See, I knew I put " ***Newb Alert*** " for a reason! LOL
 
UPDATE:

Ok don't ask me how it happened but tank ended up cycling in just 3 days! I used a combo of a handfull of gravel I took from the guy who sold me 2 of my Red Bellies, some in-bottle bacteria I got from Petco, and maybe from the FX5 I got from the person who sold me the setup, although I doubt it considering the filter sat dry for 1 month after he broke his tank down and sold it to me. Don't know/care which of the 3 things cycled the tank so fast was just happy as all heck it was done so fast! I was expecting 30+ days and it was complete in 3 days!

STOCK

So I ended up scoring 5 Red Bellies and 2 Caribes. The RBP's range from 4.5"-6" and the 2 Caribes are both about 4". However, despite the smaller size, 1 of the Caribe clearly is the BOSS of the setup. First day I released all 7 in the tank, neither of the 2 Caribes hid, while the 5 RPB's immediately seeked cover in hiding spots. The 5 RBP's are a lot more skittish, while the Caribes are way more active and completely unfazed by me. The Caribes don't back away from the tank when I watch, they never hide, and they aren't afraid when I put my hand in the tank to do any type of maintenance. The Caribes always hit the food first and the dominant Caribe even bit a small piece out of one of the larger RBP's jaw on their second feeding when the RBP challenged him by attempting to feed first. That never happened again (and the injured RBP is healing nicely). The rank order seems to be set now. I've since lowered the temps to 78 degrees to promote harmony and thwart aggression.

TANK-MATES

I started off with: 10 Neon Tetra, 7 Tiger Barbs, 6 Longfin Leopard Danios, 6 Australian Rainbows, 1 Siamese Algae Eater.

All were stocked before I scored my 5 RPB and 2 Caribes.

The Australian Rainbows immediately tried to eat all the Neon Tetra who found a small corner of unsiliconed spaced and have permanently fled behind the background where they currently all still reside. Once I put in the 7 piranhas it took them about a week to pickoff all the Australian Rainbows.

So far I'm left with: 10 Neon Tetra (all behind the background), 4 Tiger Barbs, 2 Longfin Leopard Danios (1 behind the background, 1 in front), and the 1 Siamese Algae Eater.

The Neon Tetras are safe behind the background and only come out front occasionally, staying close to the substrate. The Tiger Barbs seem to do fine, they know when to hide and when to come out to eat. Only the Caribe chases them once in a while. 1 Leopard Danio lives behind the background alone on the opposite side of my filter (separate from the Neon Tetras). And my good ole SAE does his job while remaining unscathed.

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Chances are the tank is not actually cycled - even if it is, taking into consideration what you said about what went into it, I don't think it is going to handle that kind of bioload. I will also say that in a 4 ft tank you should expect some serious cannibalism with that many p's. Keep an eye on your parameters, I see a bad spike in your future (if it hasn't happened already.)
 
Chances are the tank is not actually cycled - even if it is, taking into consideration what you said about what went into it, I don't think it is going to handle that kind of bioload. I will also say that in a 4 ft tank you should expect some serious cannibalism with that many p's. Keep an eye on your parameters, I see a bad spike in your future (if it hasn't happened already.)

Nope, it's definitely cycled. Did another test today and ammonia and nitrited both tested out to 0ppm which is perfect. Small trace of nitrate as well. Bio-load is being handled like a well-oiled machine. I have an FX5, a Fluval 405, and DIY bio filtration behind the background via pot scrubbers, a powerhead/water circulator.

So far no cannibalism at all. Not even nipping. 5 RBP and 2 Caribe all get along great. They've eaten all the Australian Rainbows but haven't touched anything else. I've been keeping them well-fed and it's working. I check my parameters pretty often and have never came away with testing even a trace of ammonia. Man, this tank has worked like a charm. Absolutely zero let-downs. Even my plants are doing great!

Now, I guess the fish-God's have shined down on me with pleasant rays with this 120g shoal setup. However, the I haven't been as fortunate with my 130g Black Rhom tank. It's been about 6 weeks and that mama-jamma still isn't cycled. I've tried everything (taking media from this 120g setup, buying NutraFin Cycle, getting some media from AquaScape's up and running tanks. NOTHING!

It's an in-fish cycle so I guess that's why that one is going S L O W. And no, I'm not cycling it with the Blk Rhom. It's being cycled by 10 fish (4 Rosey Barbs, 3 Iridescent Sharks, 2 Gold Gouramis, and 1 Golden Shark) and I keep up on my water changes. Not purchasing/bringing home my Monster Blk Rhom until it's 100% cycled! But I must say the setup has turned out quite nice. Water is crystal clear and my plants are looking nice in there. Just needs to hurry up and cycle and quit taking FOREVER.
 
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