Fish with disclaimer

[Joshuakahan]

I’m thinking about getting one of these, but it has this disclaimer
What do you guys think?

 

[Niki_up]

I would pass unless you plan to keep alone and use separate equipment for water changes. I wouldn’t want something that might be un-curable passing to my current fish.

seems like they have an idea of what it is though, you could ask them and research it and see if it’s something your wiling to deal with

 

[Joshuakahan]

I would pass unless you plan to keep alone and use separate equipment for water changes. I wouldn’t want something that might be un-curable passing to my current fish.

seems like they have an idea of what it is though, you could ask them and research it and see if it’s something your wiling to deal with

Thanks
I was thinking I’d put it with my geos and hujeta but I’m a little nervous although they said it’s not transmissible
I think you’re right about passing

 

[Niki_up]

Thanks
I was thinking I’d put it with my geos and hujeta but I’m a little nervous although they said it’s not transmissible
I think you’re right about passing

I wouldn’t risk taking some else word on it not being transmissible. What if a bigger fish eat this fish? Or another fish picks the scales off with a cyst? What if the cyst hatches and infects the other fish?
If it’s not a super rare fish that you absolutely must have with no regards I would pass until you find some without cysts

 

[Joshuakahan]

I wouldn’t risk taking some else word on it not being transmissible. What if a bigger fish eat this fish? Or another fish picks the scales off with a cyst? What if the cyst hatches and infects the other fish?
If it’s not a super rare fish that you absolutely must have with no regards I would pass until you find some without cysts

Good point
No, it’s not a must have, I just want some type of dwarf pike cichlid that gets around 4-7”. But ya I think you’re right, I’ll pass. Maybe I’ll find another sharp nose pike some day

 

[Niki_up]

Good point
No, it’s not a must have, I just want some type of dwarf pike cichlid that gets around 4-7”. But ya I think you’re right, I’ll pass. Maybe I’ll find another sharp nose pike some day

I know it’s hard to pass on something you want and is currently available but you don’t need to settle. Keep looking and youll
Find some

 

[duanes]

I am familiar with these trematode larvae, they are mostly harmless to fish, but a disease cause to the bird it is eaten by, and only activated when that bird that eats the fish. I have had a couple wild caught fish show up where they were visually obvious.
And the disease cycle was part of my microbiological studies many years ago.
There are a number of protozoan species that use this snail to fish to bird life cycle from the northern east coast of the U.S. thru South America.
The cycle starts with a snail, that is eaten by a fish, and continues when the fish is eaten by a bird.
If the fish is not eaten, the life cycle stalls (the fish is simply an in-between carrier with inert trematodes).
In aquaculture, if the parasites build up in a closed system, then it can overwhelm the fish, but wild fish seldom pick up enough trematoads to become overwhelmed

In ordering this species, because it comes from a very specific black water, rheophyllic South American habitat, unless your water parameters exactly match that natural habitat, or you can artificially match it in your tank with powerheads, and by adding tannins, that would be (to me) the more pressing concern.

 

[RD.]

duanes ….. is this not typically referred to as black spot disease? Similar trematode?

 

[RD.]

Black spot disease is spread by birds, and carried by snails. In freshwater fish there is no real treatment, you have to simply wait it out & make sure that the cycle cannot repeat itself. (do not keep snails with infected fish)

The OP's fish is WC, so it is very possible for it to have this disease.

Dr. Edward J. Noga, MS, DVM, a highly respected professor of aquatic medicine and immunology, that has been published approx 150 times in related papers/journals. His lab at NC State University specializes in the study of infectious diseases of finfish and shellfish. Here's what he has to say on this topic:

"According to Noga, if the fish has "black spot disease" there is no OTC treatment for the metacercaria (which are not in themselves lethal). They will simply "come out" of the cysts.

If there are no snails or copepods around, that is the end of the line. However, while the metacercaria are there, they can cause an immune reaction, which can be hard on the fish. If/when the metacercaria come out, they leave behind a hole that can get infected with bacteria and/or bleed. That is a danger to the fish. Salt in the water helps healing and increases production of the slime coat. Frequent water changes dilute out any possible infectious bacteria and supports the immune system. The key for fish survival (if they do not bleed to death from the holes) is a good immune system.

Black Spot is due to the metacercarian stage of a parasite with a complex life cycle called a "digenean" trematode . The "black spot" is caused by the metacercaria encysted under the skin which irritates the melanocytes of the fish tissue, causing the dark spot.

As long as it is under the skin, it is impervious from outside."


Tetra Parasite Guard contains Acriflavine, which would help with any potential secondary infections from the holes produced, but IMO lots & lots of fresh water, with some plain old kosher salt would be just as effective in that regard, without exposing your fish to the other meds found in Tetra P.

 

[duanes]

duanes ….. is this not typically referred to as black spot disease? Similar trematode?

Yes
Most commonly, and in some species it appears as black spots
Although depending on where the disease originates, the spots may also be yellow of even off white (but different than Ick).
In Wisconsin it often infected Muskies, pickerel, and pikes.