Flow Loss Calculator - Anybody got one?

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Desdinova

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I have a 1300 GPH pump that uses a 3/4" pipe connection. I want to pump water into a bio media chamber, but I want to slow the movement of the water, as it moves through the media. How do I calculate the GPH of the water, when I connect it to a larger pipe or container?

For example, I connect the 3/4" pipe to a 4" pipe, which is 5' long, and then connect the other end of the 4" pipe to another 3/4" pipe that returns to the tank. In GPH, how fast is the water moving through the 4" pipe? I would guess that the right way to solve this would be to calculate the volume of water in 5' of each of the two pipes, divide the larger by the smaller, and then divide the 1300 GPH by the quotient. In other words, I figure the flow loss will be proportionate to the increased pipe size and this relationship could be calculated as such.

Another example. I build a 130 gallon tank that is 7' x 0.5' x 5'. I put a 7' spray bar at the bottom of the tank, which acts as the inlet and does not slow down the water. Since the tank holds 130 gallons and the pump moves 1300 GPH, the water must be moving up the tank at 10 GPH, correct? That makes sense to me, but I have a nagging feeling that it's wrong...


This is for my denitrator project. My idea was to have a length of pipe, filled with Pond Matrix, which is capable of cultivating anaerobic conditions for bacteria to break down nitrates into harmless nitrogen gas. Recently, I was informed that Kmuda, over at oscarfish.com, has already done this with a product that is very similar. DeNitrate is basically the same thing as Pond Matrix, except smaller pieces. SeaChem states, for at least one of these products, that a requirement for the anaerobic conditions is a low flow rate. Thus, I want to figure a way to slow down the flow rate. I'm thinking about making a giant box, like in example #2, which is fed at the bottom and either overflows into the tank, or has a pump at the top, if it's gravity fed. Kmuda got great results, so I know I'm on the right track.
 
You are so lost i got confused. 1300gph is 1300gph whether is it being pushed through a straw or river. you are trying to figure out the speed of water moving which may be impossible. 10 is your turnover rate. things that effect flow are measured in feed of head usually and every pump has different pressures. higher pressure less loss when head is increased.

Hope this helps you get your thinking on track
 
Sorry for the confusion. I suppose that since SeaChem quoted the velocity of the water as a GPH figure, I was hooked on that. I should have asked them for a distance over time measurement. You are correct, 1300 GPH is 1300 GPH no matter what size pipe it's going through. I was thinking in terms of velocity, but trying to stick with GPH and that was confusing.

Regardless, I think my second example will work ok. Given the fact that I'm spreading the water across a 7' x 6" surface area and making it rise 5', I think that should slow down the water well enough to keep the media from getting too much oxygen.
 
I have no way of mathematically answering your question, but what your getting at makes sence. Same flow rate through a bigger pipe wouldn't make it "slower" but it would be more filter for the water to travel through... Makes sence to me. Anywho good luck finding that answer your looking for. A new unit of physics? Frsi- flow rate per square inch

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Lol its all good i thought that was what you were looking for. plumb a valve on the output and if it is too much flow crank it back. trying to get it right without adjusting would involve more math and physics than either of us if likely to have
 
Yeah velocity ≠ gph.

A1*V1 = A2*V2

That means that if you are moving water through an opening with a cross-sectional area of 1 inch^2 at a speed of 10 mph, then the same volume of water would move through an opening with a cross-sectional area of 10 inches^2 at a speed of 1 mph.
 
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