for those who dont like pitbulls !!!

[pharmaecopia]

Wow so much misinformation in this thread, coming from both sides of the argument.

I will start of saying that I do not like pit bulls, or breeds classes as such. Just not my cup of tea. Where I live pit bulls have been banned for the last number of years. Yet people still are able to acquire them pretty easily. The problem is that it is not the good responsible owners who end up acquiring them. It is the people who don't properly train their dogs or those that are attracted to them because of their reputation that get them. For example, a person in my neighbourhood has a pitbull that they illegally acquired after the ban went into effect. They got it purely as a guard dog. They have done no training for it and it has also escaped multiple times. I would say this is clearly an irresponsible dog owner, who should not own any dog breed. A second example is a pit mix that a friends boyfriend owns. He allows the dog to nip and chew on any visitors to the house, does not try to train the dog and blames the visitors for the dogs behaviour. This is just one of the pits I have run into. This is also not to say that all pitbull owners are irresponsible, but that where I live the majority of new pitbulls owners are irresponsible dog owners.

Also many media reports of dog bites are said to be by pitbulls regardless of what breed is actually responsible. I myself have been bitten by a large breed dog, a roughly 95lbs Alaskan Malamute. It was the family pet which we got when the dog was around 14 months old. Even before we had an incident we tried training him and working with him, but after a series of incidents we had to make the decision to put him down. It was only after that that we were able to find out that the previous owner had looked into putting him down because of biting and aggression issues only to then pass him off because it was cheaper. With any dog breed the owner has to acknowledge that a dog can be dangerous and should take steps to properly train the dog or have some safety measures, such as a muzzle, in place.

To a degree pitbulls have been bred to fight, this is not saying that all are born fighters but there is a history of them being used in dog fighting that cannot be ignored here.

As well a pitbulls jaws can lock, so can any breed that belongs to a molosser breed of dog. This covers things such as labs, the various mountain dogs, mastiffs, pitbulls, etc. Doesn't mean that the jaw will lock but that the jaw has been noted in lock in some circumstances.

 

[mshill90]

Wow so much misinformation in this thread, coming from both sides of the argument.


As well a pitbulls jaws can lock, so can any breed that belongs to a molosser breed of dog. This covers things such as labs, the various mountain dogs, mastiffs, pitbulls, etc. Doesn't mean that the jaw will lock but that the jaw has been noted in lock in some circumstances.

This is completely untrue.

This has been scientifically proven that pitbulls do NOT have locking jaws. There is no dog that the world knows of that has a locking jaw. Pitbulls have the same jaw mechanisms as every other dog. There is nothing different or special about a pitbulls jaws.

 

[mshill90]

And again, I am going to state...

Just because you love this breed, or any other breed, and someone else doesn't, why do you all feel the need to jump down their throats and call them names?

American runs off of media hype, so of course you are going to have more people against the pitbull, and that's because the media gets better reaction from negative news reporting because we are a country fueled by drama and negativity.

Instead of preaching to people about why they should like them, EDUCATE them about the breed.

Think of pitbull as a religion, the only thing you are doing by shoving it down their throats is giving them more of a reason to believe what they have been. They need to experience things on their own to realize that not all of the hype is true.

I hate threads about pitbulls because there are many people who are too defensive, but yet they think they are doing good for the breed, when you are only making it worse for them. When you go off on someone about pitbulls, you yourself are acting like the "typical" pitbull, and the most often dogs mimic their owners, after all, you are their pack leader.

If any of you who are not into the breed want some real insight into how pitbulls normally are, watch the Dog Whisperer. Caesar Millan is amazing with dogs, and he's the only 1 in the world that can have a pack of 80+ dogs, where the majority of them are pitbulls, and rotts.

I love pitbulls, but I am not going to spout off at the mouth to try to make myself look like a big person. It's foolish.

For those of you that are for pitbulls on this thread, act like an adult. Form well written, thought out sentences. Use facts to state your point. If you want to do the breed some good you need to be an ambassador for the breed, and that means excepting the hype without flipping out on someone, which I have not seen on this thread yet.

Sometimes I am sad to say I own pits... and it's not because of the dogs.. it's the owners that are attached to them.

 

[J.Lake]

easy

 

[skjl47]

Hello; Is it possible to agree on a general, non detailed, definition about "locking jaw" of dogs, in particular the pit bulls?

It has been my understanding that the dogs we call pit bulls were used in a contest with actual bovine bulls. It has been my understanding that the dogs would bite the lips, nose or other parts of the bull and hang on. I never actually thought that their jaws had some sort of mechanism to lock them in place. I had always presumed this was a function of the strength in their neck and jaws muscles and their determination to hang on. The descriptions that I know of were that one or more of the dogs would bite and hang on to the bulls head area, thus reducing the bulls ability to use its horns, while other dogs would attack it in other places. The dogs that clamped on with their jaws had to be able to hold on while the bull tried to shake them lose. I have always thought that this ability to tenaceously bite and hang on was what is meant when folks referred to pit bulls as having a locking jaw.

Here is my proposed definition for "locking jaw". Pit bulls have the strength and ability to bite and hang on in a manner that makes it seem as if their jaws can lock.

I still hope to hear from the folks that actually like pit bull terriers as to what should be done with one that has bitten, mauled or killed a person. Feel free to lay the blame on the owners if you must, but what should be done with the dog?

 

[mshill90]

I still hope to hear from the folks that actually like pit bull terriers as to what should be done with one that has bitten, mauled or killed a person. Feel free to lay the blame on the owners if you must, but what should be done with the dog?

This scenario and the outcome of the owner/dog is determined on the situation in my opinion.

If the dog is being provoked, teased, or harmed, and the dog attacks, then in my opinion it is your fault.. you should have left the dog alone. Dogs do not just attack when being provoked, they do give off warning signs, such as hair standing on end, growling, showing teeth... You shoul be held responsible because you caused the dog to attack.

If you are just minding your own, and the dog attacks you, then the dog needs to be put down, and the owner of the dog needs to be held responsible, and pay the consequences.

Dog attacks should rarely happen with dogs that are kept as pets because people should be watching their dogs at all times. But there are more irresponsible owners than responsible ones unfortunately.

Dogs regardless of size, breed, disposition etc should be contained securely at all times.

 

[J.Lake]

Killed a person, must be put down. Mauled a person 90 percent or higher of those dogs should be put down. Depending on circumstances. Bite a person and a educated person should make that choice based on facts not breed. Such a tough subject because in alot of these cases the dog has been setup for disaster by their owner. Most of this happens to frustrated dogs.
All dogs need exercise EVERYDAY. Pitties even more so. I exercise my dogs 9 days out of 10. As soon as I wake up we go for a 45 to a hour walk. If every owner did that alone it would help so much. As ceasar says Exercise, discipline, affection. In tht order. ANY dog that is not exercised mentally and physically EVERRYDAY is not living a fufilling life. Owning a dog is a large responsibility. Owning a dog and leaving in a house all day is akin to jail for a human.

 

[LailaBug]

Any pit bull that has aggression towards humans should be put down. This is coming from an avid pit bull lover. Each human aggressive pit bull puts another nail in the coffin of the breed, especially considering that they were bred to never bite a human.

 

[Bhack91]

The problem is very simple: people. Whether its bad owners, ignorance/lack of education, or lack of respect. All animals deserve respect, and I think that more than anything that is ignored. Too many people refer to dogs as children, as people, and such. Well yes the dog and you can have a strong bond, but it is still a dog and your still a human and you have to recognize that. Now not saying they are wild animals, simply stating when you stop respecting the line between dog and human you have a problem. Then when many people adopt a dog they don't realize what exactly they are getting into. Many people think that a dog just needs food, and a occassional walk and sometimes less. These are the people that don't train thier dog and don't research them, wanting a small cute puppy for the kids or a tough looking dog. These are the kind of cases that lead to the lose, untrained, and potentially dangerous dogs. Between that kind of American mentality on pets, and the guard/fighting dogs that criminals use, leads to the cause for the image of big dogs= scary killer animals. I don't think that dogs are breed killers, or natural born killers and anyone that uses that arguement hasn't had any extensive exprience with dogs. Simply put dogs were breed to work with humans to do different things from hunting to herding, so why people think that any dog was breed to kill is beyond logical. Even dogs breed to hunt big game aren't big mindless creatures, they know the different between what they attack and the humans that trained and raised them. There is no natural or bred tendancy for dogs to kill or attack humans.

 

[tomojsg]

Wow so much misinformation in this thread, coming from both sides of the argument.

I will start of saying that I do not like pit bulls, or breeds classes as such. Just not my cup of tea. Where I live pit bulls have been banned for the last number of years. Yet people still are able to acquire them pretty easily. The problem is that it is not the good responsible owners who end up acquiring them. It is the people who don't properly train their dogs or those that are attracted to them because of their reputation that get them. For example, a person in my neighbourhood has a pitbull that they illegally acquired after the ban went into effect. They got it purely as a guard dog. They have done no training for it and it has also escaped multiple times. I would say this is clearly an irresponsible dog owner, who should not own any dog breed. A second example is a pit mix that a friends boyfriend owns. He allows the dog to nip and chew on any visitors to the house, does not try to train the dog and blames the visitors for the dogs behaviour. This is just one of the pits I have run into. This is also not to say that all pitbull owners are irresponsible, but that where I live the majority of new pitbulls owners are irresponsible dog owners.

Also many media reports of dog bites are said to be by pitbulls regardless of what breed is actually responsible. I myself have been bitten by a large breed dog, a roughly 95lbs Alaskan Malamute. It was the family pet which we got when the dog was around 14 months old. Even before we had an incident we tried training him and working with him, but after a series of incidents we had to make the decision to put him down. It was only after that that we were able to find out that the previous owner had looked into putting him down because of biting and aggression issues only to then pass him off because it was cheaper. With any dog breed the owner has to acknowledge that a dog can be dangerous and should take steps to properly train the dog or have some safety measures, such as a muzzle, in place.

To a degree pitbulls have been bred to fight, this is not saying that all are born fighters but there is a history of them being used in dog fighting that cannot be ignored here.

As well a pitbulls jaws can lock, so can any breed that belongs to a molosser breed of dog. This covers things such as labs, the various mountain dogs, mastiffs, pitbulls, etc. Doesn't mean that the jaw will lock but that the jaw has been noted in lock in some circumstances.

no breed of dog can " lock its jaw " as ive said before, it has been proven scientifically & theoretically...

a lot of "misinformation"... yes many have stated facts that are untrue but what you have stated isnt true either...