GMO technology = legal problem SOLVED

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hello, im new to this site but i been ranting about not being able to find any cool fish for sale or available since i live in hawaii >_<. mind you, my definition of cool is the reason i joined such a forum with a fitting name. so anyway, ranting on about why piranha's, snakeheads etc are illegal in this state for some time now...

then yesterday i find out that people genetically splice moon jelly gene's with certain tetra to make them glow, so WTF mate??? im trying to ask WHY cant somebody re-invent the piranha etc in the same way!! GMO (Genetically modified organism) technology has been around within the last decade. you could put for instance the gene of a large animal into the embrio of an anchovi and basically SUPERSIZE the bugger to Ahi-sized proportions.

not only the tetra, but i find out people sell and breed / gene splice aquarium fish all the time!!!

-THE POINT--> if they can do all this, then WHY dont they just engineer a new strain of piranha etc. that can't reproduce on its own??? (like the dual swordtail tetra must be artificially inseminated to reproduce). this would make be PERFECT for us!! for the LFS's business too because it garantee's their market control to a good extent.

IT MUST BE DONE!!!
 
Stop *****ing and just go catch a snakehead in Lake Wilson. Or go to the snakehead breeding facility on the North Shore by Mokuleia. Or go to Chinatown and pick up one of their live ones (technically they're required to kill them before purchase, but I bet you could slip someone a few bucks to get it live).

Little bit simpler.
 
"In retrospect, importation of Channa striata to Hawaii is quite recent. Perhaps based on the belief that this species had been established in Hawaii for nearly a century, a permit was issued in the early 1990s to Arlo Fast of the University of Hawaii to import C. striata for culture research on Coconut Island in Kaneohe Bay. A second permit to import C. striata was issued to Dr. Fast in 1995 in cooperation with the person who currently cultures the species in a rockpit area at Mokuleia. The culturist had the only permit from the Hawaii Department of Agriculture to import C. striata with restrictions that sale to consumers must be of fresh-killed or cooked fish (Domingo Cravalho, Jr., personal commun., 2002)."

- http://fisc.er.usgs.gov/Snakehead_circ_1251/html/channa_striata.html.

guess i cant go there :(. but i suppose if i ever owned one i couldn't keep it forever anyway. its interesting though... bribing the chinese seems like the best option and thats risky at best...

do you need a license to pull some up at the reservoir?
 
I can vouch that there are no snakeheads on Coconut Island (as of 2005). I toured it pretty extensively for a college class. Lots of tilapia being tested though.

All you need for Lake Wilson is a $5 freshwater fishing license and some luck. Even if you don't catch pongee you can still have fun catching peacock bass and red devils.

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nice nice. to be honest snakeheads are above my ability though unless their young =/. if i got one id enjoy the year or so that it would fit in my tank then id have to let it go.

what are some of the smaller predatory fish with teeth i could look at having?? some1 suggested exodons but after some research i dun really care for em, they seem to just suck on scales. i need teeth!! XD
 
No one GM's a piranha because no one cares. The Zebra Danio wasn't made into the glofish so it could be sold, that was only a nice perk. It was made as a testing agent so scientists could more easily observe water quality.

A humongous fluorescent piranha would look absurd anyways. Shame on your for suggesting it.




j/k
 
well not flourescent or humongous.. lol

but i bet there will be a market for previously illegal fish if they performed this tweek on those fish and sold them at LFS.

the reason no1 cares is because most people who buy fish dont know anything beyond what the pet store has in stock and so they dont mind, they cant mind. but theres that saying "build it and they will come", so if the stores here have wolf fish, snakeheads, piranha etc in the predatory section i garantee there will be consistent sales on them. i know ALOT of friends with illegal fish and alot of college kids like predatory fish in their dorms but the demand is nowhere near limited to just them!
 
The amount of time and money involved in the research and development of a transgenic organism is immense. Plus, at least in the US, the majority is funded by federal grants and you have to provide justification for why you deserve the money. A project to genetically modify a fish to attempt to circumvent illegal ownership isn't likely to get any funding.
 
it is the way you said it though, it isn't to dodge, it is to create a legal market out of a big illegal market (alot* bigger than most people think). while drugs and sex rank higher, illegal animal import and trade is near the top on the black market of live stock. OF contraband live stock, fish are ranked number 1 next to reptiles (in prohibited areas) with endangered species at the lowest end (for obvious reasons).

this means that people are buying quite enough to get federal attention and this is only counting the few people getting CAUGHT for trying to sneak them in, though we dont talk about EVERYTHING that goes on in the news when a select few issues are highlighted in the media.

Who gave grants to people who made fish glow? somebody had to have enough time and money to care about it, and it didnt all happen right away either. one important thing to remember is that most of the new world countries breathe on business markets made for pass-time commodities and entertainment over-crowding essential needs, so how can you say nobody will try to do this?

lemme give u an example. it is illegal to keep wild dogs as pets such as pure wolves, especially out of their natural boundaries because - like the snakehead - it can easily survive outside and cause damage to ecosystems, if being rare wasnt enough of a reason for its prohibition. HOWEVER "dogs" are perfectly legal as they were bred and bred and bred FROM wolf-like ancestors to be -for most part- unable to fend out in the wild from their lack of a "kill switch" in their brain that wolves have (pitbulls can kill themselves a bird or rabbit on ocasion but almost always will get sick and die if they eat it; a result from evolving in captivity). wild dogs that get loose on the street dont count either, the street is full of wasted food that strays can eat which is not a wild pray and feed scenario.

though far from GMO, this example was a slow-process and natural version of what GMO technology could do almost instantly in a successful lab-experiment.

Research the GMO Kalo scandal for another good example of unnessecary GMO engineering that somehow got granted funding to start in the first place... "if it aint broke, dont fix it" was the case there... but with illegal fish, it is "broke" legally... and we arent trying to alter a natural habitat, rather alter SOME wild fish in remote areas such as the fish tank, and if these "freaks" were released, they will not breed therefore minimizing ecological damage that their natural base-species woulda done.
 
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