"Gold Severum" intermediate fish found

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OK so I was parousing thai fish exporters and I found this...
A fish called "Gold Severum" with scientific name "Cichlasoma Labiatum"
I know translations with binomal nomenclature are a joke, but look at the fish in the picture.. Its' not a severum.

I believe this is the intermediate step in parrots referred to as "jin gang ying wu (gold severum)" in the much passed around text written about the history of the parrot cichlid. Consensus on this fish is that it is an intermediate hybrid of labiatum and citrinellum, when dwarf traits (spinal shortening/deformity) were starting to be bred in.

Coincidentally, "jin gang ying wu" dosen't translate to gold severum (but "macaw parrot")
But this appears to be the intermediate fish mentioned in the article

http://www.grandaquatic.com/Cichlid-fish.asp

Anyone interested in buying some of these cichlids? I would love to get some in order to confirm the genetics of the fish, but there is a large minimum order... group buy anyone?
 
They list Red Dragons as Cichlasoma Maculicauda so that right there should tell you they do not know what they are talking about. Its a Gold Severum. I could goto Petsmart and get the same fish, there is nothing special or different about that Severum.

I think you are talking about this article correct?http://parrotcichlid.com/history
Its correct for some parts but the article was originally in Taiwanese and some parts got mistranslated.

The part where it says "This breeding technique has created today's Gold Severum (Jin Gang Ying Wu)." This is saying the technique was used, not talking about that the Severums was somehow involved in the creation of Parrots.

Do you see any Severum in this fish?
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No, there is not. Anyone who knows about Parrots or Flowerhorn can tell you there is Vieja in that fish. This type of fish is what you could say this was the earliest form of Parrot. I would think that Parrots are a by product of trying to create this fish or something that came a long down the line trying to prefect it.

Hell look at this, these would be F1 and even here they are showing the curved spine. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146990

Severums were not used to create Parrots, its impossible. I cannot stress that enough.
 
Chrisplosion;4988363; said:
They list Red Dragons as Cichlasoma Maculicauda so that right there should tell you they do not know what they are talking about. Its a Gold Severum. I could goto Petsmart and get the same fish, there is nothing special or different about that Severum.


Chris is correct, that is a standard gold severum. Also the fish they picture as a "texas jewel", is a juvie jack dempsey.

As has been stated several times, there is no way a severum is involved in the creation of blood parrots. Some of the confusion may be stemming from the use of the common name "red severum" for other fish in Asia.
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yeah maybe I just mistook that, I've never seen a very young heros efasciatus, but it didn't look to me like a baby heros severum, which is the main type that i've seen

I just thought It may have been an intermediate breed

never mind then if you guys think its efasciatus and not labiatum hybrid

What about flamingo cichlids?
 
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