Good article on FW Atlantic Stingrays

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Perhaps I'm missing something, but I thought this article rather clearly states that the St. John's river population live their entire life in freshwater and have developed an evolutionary strategy to cope with this releasing excess urea and "reduc[ing] the concentration of its body fluids to minimize the osmotic flow into its body". If this put a strain on their osmosis system as you say, certainly they wouldn't be able to form a thriving and reproductively viable population in FW (which they clearly are). And the article states the fw Atlantic ray "boosts its urine output tenfold to rid itself of excess water" but who is to say whether this is significantly more than the urea output of a comparably sized motoro or other river ray (which are also known to excrete huge amounts of waste as part of their adaptive strategy)? Anyways, I'm not advocating these rays be kept, I think there is a lot more that needs to be learned about them before they can be with anything approaching success, just pointing out that this article in no way says these rays cannot be kept in freshwater, in fact, far from it. I think it only confirms that an atlantic ray of this population can in fact live, thrive, and reproduce in a freshwater environment. It would take a highly specialized aquarium and an aquarist not only experienced but with unlimited resources and probably some sort of continual water change system, but I see no reason to say they can not be kept in freshwater, with the important caveat that few, if anyone should attempt it until more is learned about this unique population.
 
I agree.. That why I said "Although Adaptable"..

"boosts its urine output tenfold to rid itself of excess water".. This is much more waste output than any FW ray?

How do I know this? - How many Potamotrygon's do you see living in 125-240g tanks?.. longterm.. How many Atlantic Rays in FW in 125-240g tanks?.. longterm..

I agree that in a large tank, with a flow through system, and adequate filtration it can be done.. but when MOST atlantic rays are pulled from the ocean, acclimated to fresh, and put in an undersized AQUARISTS tank, they die.

This article will hopefully educate any hobbyist who is thinking about putting these in a FW tank with a volume less than 300g, thinks twice..
 
Miles;1310420; said:
"boosts its urine output tenfold to rid itself of excess water".. This is much more waste output than any FW ray?

How do I know this?

FYI ~ It has more to do with Potamotrygon's recessed renal glands, and their inability to withhold urea in their blood.. FW Rays have evolved to live in FW, Atlantic Rays not so much..

They still have the osmoregulatory system of a saltwater elasmobranch, therefor they would put off tons more ammonia then that of an organism with the osmoregulatory features to cope with this adaptation.

They can do it, but their waste output is going to be much higher than potamotrygons..making it near impossible to keep them in basic home aquaria.
 
Valid points, I was merely trying to elicit additional commentary on these fascinating rays. There precious little information available about them, considering for many on MFK they are considered a native species. I Agree on the near impossibility of keeping them in home aquaria, but I would be interested to hear if any public aquarium has any information on keeping them.
 
Its not impossible at all to keep them in home aquaria... I have a female ray, which has been doing very well. We did hit some bumps in the road, but all is fine now. I think what caused the speed bump was the lack of salt. I had her in brackish water 8.0ppt and have now raised her to 14.0 and am in the process of aclimating her to complete marine water. Now that I have raised the salinity levels, she has improved 100%. I will keep you posted... Let me know if you have any questions, she is truely intoxicating....
 
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VMDapproved;2051263; said:
Its not impossible at all to keep them in home aquaria... I have a female ray, which has been doing very well. We did hit some bumps in the road, but all is fine now. I think what caused the speed bump was the lack of salt. I had her in brackish water 8.0ppt and have now raised her to 14.0 and am in the process of aclimating her to complete marine water. Now that I have raised the salinity levels, she has improved 100%. I will keep you posted... Let me know if you have any questions, she is truely intoxicating....

welllll.. it said 'freshwater aquaria' not home aquaria so yah thanks for solidifying my first post :D
 
Miles;2051847; said:
welllll.. it said 'freshwater aquaria' not home aquaria so yah thanks for solidifying my first post :D

agreed ... keeping them in salt water would and it would be like any other ray (waste wise) keeping it in freshwater raises the amount of waste (urea) output which in turn makes the water go bad fast
 
Thanx for sharing, that would help prevent alot of Atlantic ray deaths.
 
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