Good Day Bad Day - moved my TSN

[King Edward]

A few months ago I had to shift my TSN and 2 RBpacu from my 200 to my 90 cause they we getting beat on by my centrals (yeah, dumb I know but thats how most of us learn...) I didnt leave the TSN pacu in the 200 cause its an indoor pond with a liner and I read about a guy whose pacu ate through his pond liner, after which my pond appeared to spring a leak...

This had been getting too small for them. I was planning on building a much larger indoor pond downstairs, but was going off the idea cause I cant keep my daughter out the shallow 200 (just over a foot deep most of the time), so didnt want a pond she couldnt stand up in in the room she spends most of her time. Too late to go off the idea cause I'm already growing out the fish! I found a second hand 180, which I jumped on and have that set up in the front room. Isnt it the best feeling catching and releasing your fish in a bigger tank!!! Best Days!

Thing is the fish had grown a 'little' since they went in, and dumbo here 'forgot' that its best to drain the water out to catch big fish! I've just been moving neons and white clouds recently! Netted the TSN first and wow, he went for it. Me and my daughter got SOAKED! She was screaming with delight, I was screaming in fear, but I got away with it cause she thought I was having fun too! She was really good with him...its amazing how kids take things in their stride, I swear the older I get the more scared of everything I get!

Then came the first problem, put him in the bucket, which he barely fits in now, to find his pelvic fin well and truley caught up in the net. Took 10 minutes to get him out, Had to cut the net! Thats fun trying to knife the net with a cat freakin' out every 10s... Managed not to stab him, but knicked the end of the spine that was jammed in the net. It bled a little. When I got him in the new tank I could see he'd torn the fin from the spine to about half way down and there was some blood under the skin where the fin joins the body. Bad Day! He's swimming round well, and doesnt seem too bothered and is eating so I think he'll live. He swims constantly into the pump inlet like a danio!!!

Hes a lot bigger than when we got him, over 13" but his growth rate works out at barely over an inch a month... I thought they would grow about 2" a month...he seem shealthy though, other than his curved nose which seems to have got worse...

 

[headbanger_jib]

yeah had the similar experience with the pectoral fin of my TSN and he lived to reach the 19" he is now

and about the snout too bad but that shouldn't affect him much though and the curvature grows worse as he grows but that shouldn't bother much as he is being taken care for and doesn't live in the wild where he doesn't get special care which i am sure he gets now

good for you on the move

 

[duke33]

Wow, they are a handful. Mine always whacks his head chasing feeders. He heals up though.

 

[Jarcave]

Bad Day! He's swimming round well, and doesnt seem too bothered and is eating so I think he'll live. He swims constantly into the pump inlet like a danio!!!

Gee, I wonder if that is because he's cramped?

Hes a lot bigger than when we got him, over 13" but his growth rate works out at barely over an inch a month... I thought they would grow about 2" a month...he seem shealthy though, other than his curved nose which seems to have got worse...

If they are well looked after 2" a month minimum. It's all down to a good diet, water quality and a proper water change routine. You'll end up with a stunted runt if you don't do this. Loads of TSN's have curved noses, it's because they swim into the side of tanks as they have'nt been given enough space.

So in short, your lack of fishkeeping skill looks like it will end up a slightly damaged / mutilated stunted runt. You must be very proud.

 

[basslover34]

Gee, I wonder if that is because he's cramped?

Gee I wonder if that is why or if it's because it enjoys the current as alot of cats do which are built for speed

If they are well looked after 2" a month minimum.

is that what your text books tell you... because thats not the reality of the situation, TSN's are spuratice growers and can go months without growing at a quick rate then in a matter of a few weeks make up for lost time... I'm sure that there is another animal out there that does this...wait...let me think of it... OH YEAH... EVERYTHING Please keep up with the comments as it proves how little you know.

It's all down to a good diet, water quality and a proper water change routine. You'll end up with a stunted runt if you don't do this.

Actually picked up alittle info since you've been on the real Fish keepers website huh... Impressive.. there might be hope for you yet!

Loads of TSN's have curved noses, it's because they swim into the side of tanks as they have'nt been given enough space.

Being that they are high strung fish it is best to give them large tanks should one decide to own one of these majestic beasts however your information is flawed in stating that this is the reason for bentnoses...True in some cases however should you do your reasearch you'll see that there is a genetic issue with the common stock which is being bred for home aquariums... there is actually a strain of TSN's which have a naturally bent nose which is being shipped out of asia due to impropper culling techniques. Also there are simply damages which occur in even the largest of tanks due to the skiddish nature of the TSN.

So in short, your lack of fishkeeping skill looks like it will end up a slightly damaged / mutilated stunted runt. You must be very proud.

I see you speak from the experience of having such a situation having been presented to you in some book or some friend of a friend tale you heard once... At Least KingEdward is learning about what he loves and is making every possible attempt to ensure the fish in his care have a better life than what happens with 99% of these types of fish spending their short painful lives in a 50 gallon tank that some 10yr old thought was HUGE... you on the other hand will most prob need some sort of professional help to get over that over inflated ego.

Should you feel the need to be part of the MFK Community then by all means welcome, however be helpful or at the very least be patient with people whom may have done something in a different manner than yourself as most people are infact on here to learn about fish and how to best keep them not to be belittled by someones I know it all ego. MFK welcomes all people, but puts up with little in terms of harrasement.

 

[Jarcave]

Gee I wonder if that is why or if it's because it enjoys the current as alot of cats do which are built for speed
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is that what your text books tell you... because thats not the reality of the situation, TSN's are spuratice growers and can go months without growing at a quick rate then in a matter of a few weeks make up for lost time... I'm sure that there is another animal out there that does this...wait...let me think of it... OH YEAH... EVERYTHING Please keep up with the comments as it proves how little you know..

Oh sorry, I thought poor growth rates were down to poor water quality, a lack of water changes and poor diet. Over the timeframe he's quoted thats a slow growing fish. You're not really very scientific are you. Thats actually based on years of breeding experience. Growing on fish quickly yet not at the expense of poor body shape is a real challenge, and one that takes a long time to get right. You can't learn that in a book!

Actually picked up alittle info since you've been on the real Fish keepers website huh... Impressive.. there might be hope for you yet!..

Actually I'm yet to learn to anything new. When I do, you'll be the first to know. I did help one of your members out as he couldn't ID a fish, and no other member had managed to when I read it, even though it had 40+ views etc, oh and stopped someone from killing his Synodontis due to some shocking advise he'd received from someone else. But thats what I'm here for.

Also there are simply damages which occur in even the largest of tanks due to the skiddish nature of the TSN.!..

Gee, I wonder if thats because what you consider "the largest of tanks" still isn't big enough. Why would anyone buy a deformed TSN? My local importer receives about 50 at a time. No bent noses. Maybe your LFS should look at other suppliers? I don't have deformed fish in any of my aquaria. If you buy one, you're just encouraging the breeding of poor quality fish. Did I hear the penny drop all the way across the atlantic then?

I see you speak from the experience of having such a situation having been presented to you in some book or some friend of a friend tale you heard once... At Least KingEdward is learning about what he loves and is making every possible attempt to ensure the fish in his care have a better life than what happens with 99% of these types of fish spending their short painful lives in a 50 gallon tank that some 10yr old thought was HUGE... you on the other hand will most prob need some sort of professional help to get over that over inflated ego..

Hmmm, interesting opinion. It's too early for me to reach that conclusion. If King Eddy is posting pics of a 4 or 5' TSN in a couple of years time, then you may well be right. I have to say I was genuinely shocked when I read about his exploits. Hopefully if he needs to move it when it's tice the size it is now, he'll do a better job. Use big landing nets, another adult to help out etc... I'm suprised you have 10 year olds buying TSN's though. Over here you have to be at least 16, and even then aany responsible LFS would only sell a TSN to the right kind of keeper. But if your selling kiddies tankbusters I can see why some of the comments you see on internet forums are so laughable, yet worrying at the same time. My ego's fine thanks. It gets massaged regularly. But thanks for your concern none the less.

Should you feel the need to be part of the MFK Community then by all means welcome, however be helpful or at the very least be patient with people whom may have done something in a different manner than yourself as most people are infact on here to learn about fish and how to best keep them not to be belittled by someones I know it all ego. MFK welcomes all people, but puts up with little in terms of harrasement.

Touch of irony in your post there. First you're saying I know nothing. Then you're saying help out. If you have read my posts you'll see I don't know it all, I've kept various fishes for 29 years now. And I've worked in the trade, both wholesale and retail. The more I learn, the more I realise their is even more to learn. I think I've helped out a couple of bods already on here today, and god only knows how many other people on other forums? A few hundred maybe?

Some of your posts yesterday were quite blatant harrasment. So it's difficult to take you seriously with so much contradiction. If you engage in intelligent, articulate and polite debate I might actually read your posts in future.

P.S All the canutes I've ever met have (quite a few as I have family over there) have always been really friendly chilled out people. So I'm slightly suprised to read this. Is all well at home? Can I help in any way?

 

[basslover34]

Oh sorry, I thought poor growth rates were down to poor water quality, a lack of water changes and poor diet. Over the timeframe he's quoted thats a slow growing fish. You're not really very scientific are you. Thats actually based on years of breeding experience. Growing on fish quickly yet not at the expense of poor body shape is a real challenge, and one that takes a long time to get right. You can't learn that in a book!

Yeah... you have breeding experience in what exactly... as we are speaking in refference to TSN's I would LOVE to hear more of your experiences in that... otherwise a mute point which contians no value to this discussion what so ever

Actually I'm yet to learn to anything new. When I do, you'll be the first to know. I did help one of your members out as he couldn't ID a fish, and no other member had managed to when I read it, even though it had 40+ views etc, oh and stopped someone from killing his Synodontis due to some shocking advise he'd received from someone else. But thats what I'm here for.

I noticed, and as mentioned previously your more than welcome to help in anyway which is suitable towards this forum being an enjoyable place to be for both long time keepers and newbies.

Gee, I wonder if thats because what you consider "the largest of tanks" still isn't big enough. Why would anyone buy a deformed TSN? My local importer receives about 50 at a time. No bent noses. Maybe your LFS should look at other suppliers? I don't have deformed fish in any of my aquaria. If you buy one, you're just encouraging the breeding of poor quality fish. Did I hear the penny drop all the way across the atlantic then?

when small the deformations are hardly noticed unless you know what your looking for as it's something which gets worse in time it will become more pronounced the larger the fish gets and I wish for the sake of the hobby that all fish importers knew enough to take top quality stock however in order to stay competative not all do... not the fault of the consumer

Hmmm, interesting opinion. It's too early for me to reach that conclusion. If King Eddy is posting pics of a 4 or 5' TSN in a couple of years time, then you may well be right. I have to say I was genuinely shocked when I read about his exploits. Hopefully if he needs to move it when it's tice the size it is now, he'll do a better job. Use big landing nets, another adult to help out etc... I'm suprised you have 10 year olds buying TSN's though. Over here you have to be at least 16, and even then aany responsible LFS would only sell a TSN to the right kind of keeper. But if your selling kiddies tankbusters I can see why some of the comments you see on internet forums are so laughable, yet worrying at the same time. My ego's fine thanks. It gets massaged regularly. But thanks for your concern none the less.

well at tice (twice) the size I'm sure he will be just fine moving it himself still as it'll only be just over 2'. Lessons sometimes are learned from these 'exploits' and I'm sure he will be way better prepared for the move the next time... but that has nothing to do with the handling of your posts and utter lack of interest in providing useful information to help prevent a negative situation from happening again.

The Good and bad stories are told on here so that people might learn from their tales and to help better inform themselves of what should be done next time, not to be bashed around and called names...

Touch of irony in your post there. First you're saying I know nothing. Then you're saying help out. If you have read my posts you'll see I don't know it all, I've kept various fishes for 29 years now. And I've worked in the trade, both wholesale and retail. The more I learn, the more I realise their is even more to learn. I think I've helped out a couple of bods already on here today, and god only knows how many other people on other forums? A few hundred maybe?

Great then prove me wrong and be helpful

Some of your posts yesterday were quite blatant harrasment. So it's difficult to take you seriously with so much contradiction. If you engage in intelligent, articulate and polite debate I might actually read your posts in future.

I frankly don't care if you read my posts, I post the truth as I see it and am more than willing to admit when I'm proven wrong, Interesting how you claim that I had "blatant harrasment" posts if you noticed... I didn't start the battle...it was brought to me and I'll be more than happy to defend my thoughts and openly discuss them.

P.S All the canutes I've ever met have (quite a few as I have family over there) have always been really friendly chilled out people. So I'm slightly suprised to read this. Is all well at home? Can I help in any way?

you seem to beleive that you have in someway ruffled my feathers...Sorry but no..you don't register on my radar screen so it's all good
Your definetly not on my short or long list of people I would discuss my personal life with but thanks for offering

 

[WyldFya]

Clam up the both of you. Jarcave, welcome to the site and your knowledge is appreciated, but if you continue to cause problems, I will intervene. Basslover, try not to take such a defensive stance, and listen this new member has a vast amount of knowledge.

 

[basslover34]

Ok, I'll simply smile and nood as my hands have been tied by my respect for the moderators and their wishes

 

[Jarcave]

Ok, I'll simply smile and nood as my hands have been tied by my respect for the moderators and their wishes

Cool, but I'd love to see information and photos of the TSN deformities you talk about. Fish "quality" is something I have huge interest in. Can you do that?