Interesting that you ask for the gender of fish that you describe but do not provide a pic for - not that a pic id is definitive, unless we are talking adult fish, which we are not here.... But you did provide pics in another thread, that someone randomly had to add a link to....within your own thread. Also, you were advised to vent the fish, which it appears you have not, or won't, do. Are you thinking there is another way to id the gender? Not trying to come down on you here, but I am curious as to what you are thinking or hoping to get with this 2nd id thread?