Half starved clown loach

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Mar 9, 2011
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Johnson City, NY
I have an unfortunate situation with this fella. I had not seen this fish in weeks, despite taking every object out of the tank and all...so I thought he was dead a while ago and the other fish gradually picked him away or something. He must have been burrowed in the gravel because yesterday, much to my astonishment, I saw him. The poor guy is practically skin and bones...that said..

I'm not sure why the disappearance. It's a 75 gallon tank and the only thing I can think of is bullying by this one parrot fish (only remotely aggressive thing in the tank). But anyway, all of a sudden he's out and just sort of treading water against the glass. I put him in a bucket of the aquarium's water (which is free of ammonia and anything else I can think of) while I set up a partition in the tank. I've replaced the gravel in this section with aquarium sand (I've read they like soft substrate), the partition is keeping all other fish away. I've also blocked the light in his section so only indirect light reaches him, as to keep his stress low. There are a few hiding spots, which I haven't seen him utilize yet. Of course, I've placed food easily accessible to him.

He seems pretty uninterested in food, but I have seen him take just the smallest morsel a couple of times. He is clearly weak, surely from hiding and not getting food. Netting him to and from the bucket was easy (tried not to stress him out). What is slightly strange is his behavior is fairly monotonous. He keeps doing that "treading" water in a vertical position, usually near the glass. Occasionally, he'll swim around a little but goes back to that. His gills were going dangerously fast yesterday. Today, they have slowed slightly, but are still clearly faster than they should be for his activity...and this seems to be constant. I have set him up like I said above, and put some Melafix in in case there's any latent bacterial or other issue (I didn't feel it was smart to risk anything stronger in his condition).

Basically, my question is, is there anything more I can do for him? Seems like he has a chance, but he doesn't look awesome either.
 
Clown loaches should be in a colony...they thrive and feel secure with a bunch of their own kind around... sometimes clown loaches get this disease that wastes them away slowly.. hope that isn't what this one has but it does sound like it.. and if that is the case there isn't much you can do.. they appear to eat but not much..and it never puts the weight back on them.. they continue to grow weaker.. but keep trying to feed him.. that about all you can do.
 
Ok thanks for the input. I will try. For the record, when this loach was first put in the tank, he was the only loach. Before he disappeared, I did get another one. There are now 3 total, but I have him isolated.

I'm assuming that even if I assume he has this disease, there isn't a way to treat it, right? Well anyway, I've mostly read that loaches thrive in numbers...but recently (before this guy reappeared), I had one that actually bothered and nudged the other loach. I've since exchanged him...and research has revealed that a darker colored loach is more aggressive...and that fits my experience. The bully loach was very dark, and the one he was bullying would go very pale when he came near, and would brighten back up in seconds when he had his space. I don't think I have that problem with any of the current loaches, but I've heard different opinions on this. One store owner near here, whom I know to be quite knowledgeable from past experiences, said that the colony thing was incorrect. It seems, also from my experience, that it is sometimes correct, perhaps if similar color/temperments are selected.

Bottom line here I suppose...is it likely to increase this fish's chance if I put the other two in with him?
 
i will try to find some info on treating the disease..there is always a treatment..whether they work depends on how soon treatment is started ... whether the loach is still strong enough to go through it and get better.. i always try no matter what.. is there a way to isolate this one...
 
Any time you add Medication to the water there should be some extra air going, as air stone, and don't have the water moving real fast from the suction of a water filter = you don't want it to get pulled into or against it, especially if it's really weak right now. *Avoid sudden and loud noises like tv, music, pounding noises. My fish 'freak' and bump into each other and the sides of the tank when the ppl blow by on really loud motorcycles. (There's a bar near by. Nice weather = loud bikes. It can't be helped.) Hopefully they'll get used to the noise. :D
 
If you mean isolate further than the partition I have set up, I do have a 30 gallon that can be used as a hospital tank if it would help.

I actually found this site:

http://www.bollmoraakvarieklubb.org/artiklar/praktbotia/clown%20loach.htm

And the person claims to have treated the disease (about 2/3 down the page--search for "skinny"), but I'm at a complete loss to what the products/chemicals he mentioned are, or where to get them. Plus, they mention feeding the stuff, and I'm not sure I could swing that...because I've only seen him eat in the most spare and rare sense.

I do have a long air stone and an air decoration at all times in this tank. I've got any feasible external stress to a minimum.
 
Thanks for taking that time. This site
http://www.trophs.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=5838
also talks about an epsom salt solution for internal parasites...and mentions one way of using a pipette to directly administer the solution... I've heard of this type of "feeding" before...

Has anyone here ever sort of force fed their fish for medical purposes? If so, how do you do this without stressing the deuce out of the fish?...This loach is weak, so it might be easier, but I don't want to kill him in the process...how do you "hold" and "feed" a fish in such a case?
 
Alright--not sure if there's anything to be done about this, but this loach's gills are still moving as if he's been chased around that tank...non-stop. He looks to be skin and bones, and he won't eat...unless it's tiny amounts while I'm asleep and if so, not enough that I notice it missing (the bottom being sand, I would see).

I've even tried to encourage the issue by putting him in a smaller container and putting the food to his mouth..but his mouth is too small and he still seems to object.

My question here...he does look emaciated, as I've said...but I can't tell if it's from the knifeback (skinny disease) parasite or from being hidden and not eating for ages. I've read that with knifeback, the fish gets skinny despite eating plenty... My loach is not eating and the gills are rapid. I've tried different sorts of food. Is there anything I can do to encourage him to eat or diagnose the root of the rapid gills? I don't understand that either, because he's isolated from other fish and bright light...so it shouldn't be external stress. Is all this indicative of a bacterial problem? Are rapid gills more likely bacteria or parasites? I've tried some tetra parasite medicine and it didn't seem to help.
 
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