Have cichlids evolved in the hobby?

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I'm not talking about flowerhorn, red tex, polkadoted synspillian..... I'm talking about pure blood. I used to get carpinte all day and they were truly green decades before the blue ones surfaced and they grew bigger. Common jewels seemed bigger and less shinny red. We used to have pink convict grow 8" with a head looking like giants compared to today's. And the opposite, i didn't see green terrors back in day with monster head. I used to get dovii that were green where they have blue today. I never saw a 12" dempsey in the '90s. Every jag was a show stopper now they far and few between (referring to shape more than color). So am I just an old guy loopin or anyone else noticed. If so please share your experience
 
What about the black belt maculacada vieja. How hard is it to find one with blue red white and solid stripe? We used to get them like hrp today. I'll give you a hit how long ago. Texas were 3 for $1 and festae were 3 for $5. Oh ya and the festae all had spangling (males) and all had tall bodies
 
I would say so. Nothing drastic, but there have been certain features that have become more or less prominent than in their wild cousins. It probably has a lot to do with selective breeding and only so many captive cichlids, leading to less genetic variation. Because of that, certain traits become favored, and we see more offspring with those traits. To see any true evolution it may take a lot longer, but there are noticeable changes between wild caught and generations of captive bred cichlids.
 
Cichlid skeletons can change (evolve) in as little as a year or two, depending on natural or changing conditions, as is spelled out in the study below, where putting a dam in a S American river, reduced flow drastically and altered the inhabitants.
Evolution in cichlids video
Most riverine cichlids live in much stronger flow conditions, that are almost impossible to attain in aquariums, so in a situation where aerators, or simple dribble from the spray bar of a canister flow is all that is offered, their bodies adapt to the much less strenuous life style, and they and their fry become weak compared to their wild cousins for generations to come.
I have snorkeled in rivers where I've had to hang on to mangrove type roots to not be swept downstream, but where the local cichlids are barely phased at all.
In nature only the fittest survive, which might only be 1or 2 individuals in a spawn of 1,000.
We, as aquarists often allow 50 or 100 of a spawn to survive, allowing many sub par individuals to procreate down the road.
Or.....When we breed cichlids only for color, or humps, or other such outward traits, this can de-select for less visible but important traits like health, immunity, temperature change tolerance or robust or aerodynamic body shapes that cope with moving water.
The EBJD is a perfect example, selected only for its predominant blue, its general health and even ability to defend itself like a normal JD have been compromised, its ability to fight off disease is generally poor.
 
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I think the biggest problem is inbreeding and as mentioned not culling the dodgy fry.
I remember kribensis with multiple spots on the tails, now you are lucky to see one, convict females with fully bronze bellies are another thing I dont see much anymore. Also lots of rams and oscars with deformed mouths or hunchbacks around.
One of our LFS gets all the kribs they sell from someone I know. The guy I know has a tank absolutely full of them, breeding constantly, all are the offspring of 1 pair he got 10 years ago. They arent high quality fish but every month or 2 he brings a few bags of them to the shop, gets a few free plants and a tub of food and the shop sells them at $10.00 each which is nearly pure profit so I dont blame them. It doesnt keep good strains of fish in the hobby though, if this is happening often which it probably is then its natural to see a decline in quality over time.
 
Even the first round of offspring from my krib pair don’t look nearly as nice as the parents. Plenty of other factors, but every generation there must be some sort of decline.
 
Come to think of it this rostratus might be. Was about the size of the robertsoni so he probably around 11”. Have had this fish for 13 years now and very healthy. Growth really slows when they get at this age but they still grow.

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Its no surprise that some cichlids attain larger size in aquariums than they might in nature. In nature cichlids divert and expend a lot of energy fighting current, escaping a gauntlet of predators, and defending territory and spawning sites. The oblvious, and less aware individuals, or the weak don't make it, and get picked off when young by small kingfishers, and reptiles, the larger slower ones by cormorants, even larger by eagles and crocodilians.
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Above a raptor fishing above the Rio Magfalena river system, in Colombia
So only the best adapted to life in nature survive.
Is a bigger, totally sheltered and often clueless individual lumbering like a couch potato in an aquarium always the best one to pass on genes?
As a person who has been interested in breeding cichlids, I have wrestled with this dilemma.
In my latest spawns, instead of removing lots of fry to growout tanks, I have been allowing the shoal to stay in the community and go from an initial group of hundreds at first, to only a few.
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from the spawn above, only about 6-8 have made it to the size below.
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But the ones left seem to have developed skills that enable them to deftly escape the predatory tetras in the tank, and handle the strong current, provided to recreate the conditions (as best I can) the parent fish were collected in.
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