Help! 55 gal set up. 20 gal with high ammonia

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rascalsweet

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Well I've read enough to see that I didn't set up my 20 gal right. My tank hasn't cycled, my ammonia levels are high I've lost some fish. idiot stuff. I missed the part where you should only put in 1 fish and add one a week or so.
I got my old tank back from my nephew's yard. It was dirty, alot of algae, leaves, grass, and limestone scale. I cleaned it 1st with Windex, then bleach, the vinegar. I had some odd foam on top, that has since mostly went away with water changes. I filled up the tank add gravels, filter, some water conditioner, and plastic plants and rocks. let it set empty for a few days, that part is right. right? I then should of add some bacteria and a fish? what I did was not add enough bacteria, and 4/5 of the fish my 20 gal should hold.

so far I've did 2 partial water changes, added salt, some more water conditioner, added some liquid ammonia remover (stuff petsmart recommended). not sure how long the ammonia remover takes, but 16 hours later my ammonia is still dangerous. Right now I have 6 platy, 2 loach, and a rubber lip alive. 2 of the platys, the loach and the rubber lip are from the 1st stock. every thing looks healthy, but so did the ones that died.

I did not check my water for pH, and I slow killed 2 Betta. If I understand they need acidic to neutral? It seems my water is worse than my parents, my well is deeper. I have no Ideal why considering I'm 1/2 mile away. My alkaline is off the scale. the hardness reads like they should be able to walk on the water.

I had a 55 gal gave to me, had to clean it up. it had been empty for 1 1/2 to 2 years. I used vinegar to remove the limestone, and rinsed it out a couple of times with drying it with paper towel in between. then let water run out of it for awhile. after I pour all the water out and set it on the stands. I added water and gravel, plus ornamental fish tank stuff. let it run with the filters and water conditioner. yesterday I added bacteria (what the bottle suggested, i used a measuring medicine cup I'd brought home from work).

Then I went to petsmart with 3 bags of water. came back with 3 small comets, a bottle of ammonia remover for my 20, and the questionable knowledge my water conditioner should take care of the limestone because it removes heavy minerals. oh I asked the other fish guy about how to keep Betta. I got 2 suggestions one use store bought water and the other to put peat moss in a baggy thing and run through a filter.

Any one have a better ideal? like how to remove some of the limestone from the water?

now I have 2 small comets in the 55, one in a bucket to be added later. did I mention petsmart is a 55 mile drive? that why I came home with 3, so buying and losing 36 cents of fish to save $20 of gas makes sense. so far the tank is neg for ammonia.

Is my my 20 gal a lost cause? #1 I should take the survivors, if any to the 55 in a few weeks? then start over on setting up the 20? #2 split them next week between the 2, with the comets going to the pond? #3 keep doing water changes on it? if so how often?

on my 55 am I missing anything on it? could a couple of say 2 to 3 inch bluegills live in a 55? If they out grow the tank I could put them back in the pond they came from. so they wouldn't be going back into the wild. If they would work and suggestion on what fish can live in hard water?
 
Any one have any suggestion on an semi aggressive to aggressive fish, something that can eat an occasional live fish? If I don't keep the BG. In the 55 gal tank.
 
The ammonia levels will take time to adjust. The bacteria in a bottle is a strange concept. By the time it sits in the warehouse, store shelf, and finally gets to you, all of the good stuff is dead. The bacteria needs an oxygen source and a food source to maintain a high population. There are still bacteria in that bottle, but there is also bacteria on everything around you. It is debatable if it really helps. The best thing you can do to speed things up is to seed your filter with media from an established tank. Since you are in the middle of nowhere, you can also get a few rocks from a stream or pond. The slimmy goop on the bottom of them is what you want. Don't try to scrape it off, just add them to your filter. In about two days your filter will be caught up to your tank.
 
Oh by the way, if the rocks are not slimmy that does not mean that they do not have bacteria on them. They are perfect; use them.
 
Also once the 55 is established, you can use it to jump start the cycle in new tanks. restart the 'lost cauase' 20g if you need to.

I started with one 46g tank, now have 6 more tanks that all got/get water & filter material from other ones. They all were stocked & balanced in just days

Just yesterday I helped a buddy set up a 55g, took water from my tanks over to his place. transplanted filter material, put in 3 Kenyi & 2 Electric Yellows, if (when) the water stays stable then were good to go.
 
rascalsweet;479652; said:
thank you, great ideal. going to go to the creek tomorrow.

While there, don't forget to catch some feeders for your fish. I have been thinking about your drive to get fish. You can keep your fish alive with a portable aerator ($5 at Walmart) and a clean bucket with lid. You can get a bait bucket in the fishing isle along with the aerator. Two D batteries will last about 36 hours.
 
rascalsweet;479581; said:
Any one have any suggestion on an semi aggressive to aggressive fish, something that can eat an occasional live fish? If I don't keep the BG. In the 55 gal tank.

Aquidens Pulcher :)
 
OK WHOAAAAAAA...
It takes way longer than a few days to cycle a tank...
Here is a link to "fishless cycling"...I used it on a new set-up and it works...forget the creek, forget the drive, maybe a nylon stocking filled with a couple handfulls of gravel from an established tank...but do this read and then go from there...
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-fishless-cycling.htm
that will stop the killing of fish...
 
zennzzo;480017; said:
OK WHOAAAAAAA...
It takes way longer than a few days to cycle a tank...
Here is a link to "fishless cycling"...I used it on a new set-up and it works...forget the creek, forget the drive, maybe a nylon stocking filled with a couple handfulls of gravel from an established tank...but do this read and then go from there...
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-fishless-cycling.htm
that will stop the killing of fish...

If you have an established filter, you have an established tank.
 
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