Help, My TSN is upside down!!

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Jack Dempsey
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OK, I'll include allll the details leading up to this in case it helps.

I just moved out of town, leaving my fish in the care of my family. When I came home the other day, I fed my 'monster' tank, including my 2 foot TSN. They hadnt eaten in a few days, and I expected a frenzy, but my TSN went so far as to suck in a shrimp and spit it back out. I left the 10 or so shrimp sitting on the bottom, and they were gone in a couple of hours. I dunno who ate them.

Since I've been out of town, I do waterchanges whenever I can make it back, so I did a water change on all three of my tanks, but immediately after I did a change on my 220gl tank (not the TSN tank) my BGK up and died. I thought this was odd, but all the other fish in the tank seemed OK, so I didn't really think too much of it.

All that was yesterday. Today I did a mass rearrange on my fishes, to move the biggest fish into the biggest tanks, and the smallest fishes into the smallest tanks. This included moving my 2 foot tsn into my 220gl tank. I also moved a silver aro and an apure cat into the tank at the same time.

The tsn fought very hard on the move, and he sustained some minor fin damage, but that's all. He was happily swimming around his new tank right away. About an hour after moving him though, there were barfed up shrimp all over the tank, and he was laying upside down. I don't know if he was the one who barfed up the shrimp or not. The silver aro and the apure catfish seem quite normal.

I'm right now in the middle of an 80% or so waterchange, as I suspect something got into the tank yesterday with the waterchange. I'm adding salt with this change, and hoping for the best, but my boy really isn't looking too good. He's listless too. I picked him up by hand and he had almost no energy.

Anyone have any advice!? Should I risk moving him back to his old tank? I am torn, I think pulling him out of the water again might be so stressful it does him in.
 
I've heard everywhere that you shouldn't feed fish a lot before a tank move. :(
 
Columbian Shark Catfish;3329488; said:
I've heard everywhere that you shouldn't feed fish a lot before a tank move. :(

Well good to know... but that really doesn't help me. :( is there anything
I can do other than what I've done? I was holding him upright in the tank, and when I let him go he immediately rolls belly up. Could he have ingested air, or have an upset swim bladder from the move?

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This is my big boy! I'm so upset right now. He is the reason behind the 600gl build in my sig.
 
I wonder if the shrimps were fed with exoskeleton included. It may be plain the fish sustained internal organ damage during the move especially while full of foods but this is very hard to determine without performing necropsy which can still kill your fish if you ever perform such. If the fish has buoyancy problems due to air trapped in the GI tract, it would have trouble keeping itself in its place and I am pretty sure that is not the case here at all.
 
The shrimp are always peeled and de-tailed when I feed them...

Unfortunately he didn't make it. A few hours after my original post he stopped breathing. I moved him at the same time as another large catfish, who was acting aggressive after he rolled on his side, so I don't know if the other catfish attacked him and caused the problem, or if he was already stressed from harassment from the other catfish, or what exactly happened. He was perfectly normal right after the move, it wasn't till several hours later that he lost equilibrium.

Anyways, it's here nor there, he died, and it sucks. I guess I'll need to think of something else to put in my 600.
 
:( I'm so sorry. I know how much this sucks. I have big cats, and would just cry to find them dead.
Do you know how close the water parameters were between the tanks? Could it have been osmotic shock, pH shock, or temp shock?
You said he wasn't eating well before the move and we know that's not normal for a big cat. Is there a chance that he ingested something that he could not manage to puke back up? These guys eat anything and everything as you probably know all too well. One of my cats ate the glass thermometer when I placed it in the tank for a quick read. They took no interest in it and I turned my back for 15 seconds. I looked back, it was gone and I was freaking out. A few days later I found it intact, and everyone was okay.
Another thought is that perhaps the shrimp got left out at some point? Perhaps the shrimp was bad and he was susceptible to whatever bacteria was growing?
Also, I had a big knife fish get blocked. I think he ingested a rock and it plugged his digestive system. This ends up causing kidney failure, and in my knife fish it caused him to loose use of his swim bladder. The reason I ask about this, is that the time line sounds similar.
 
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