Help? Need ideas

[Mr Pleco]

I'm a little frantic here, as I'm in the process of losing all my broken line royals and possibly my l330.. I've had these fish for approx 3-4 years.

I just lost an 8-9" broken line royal and I fear the other 2 are on there way out.
need suggestions..ideas for treatment:

here's what I know to date:

Water parms are normal for this tank..
Bellies on deceased pleco is full , no bloating, no marks, no white feces, eyes where sunk in..

Just noticed one is on the front tank glass.. I hate it when my plecos are in the open. Anyway everything appears normal , stomach is flat, eyes appear sun in and he's lethargic. Breathing doesn't appear to be in distress. This is almost the same symptoms the other pleco had...now my 12" L330 I noticed is on the back glass , cant determine if his eyes are sunk in?


Diet to date has been, carrots, yams, zukes, hbh veggie wafers and NLS 10MM pellets..

Any suggestions possible broad spectrum treatments?

 

[StripeGirl]

i have had the same problem before and it is frustrating.Have you introduced any new fish?

I have a theory that some veggies are not as fresh and healthy as they should be.I bought zucchini from 3 different stores and they all were different?one zucchini seemed to have a darker color and wax coating.I am very picky when i pick out there "fresh" veggies.

 

[Jackson]

It's something in your tank.

You have to post all the perams from ph to kh and so on.
It could be something in the tank like a rock or another piece of decor that is realeasing something harmful into the tank. It could take a long time for it to effect the fish. It just has to build up.

I would do huge water changes take out everything that is in there except for some wood but try to use new wood or wood that was not in this tank just to be safe. I would also use some carbon just to absorb anything that could be in the water. This is the only time this stuff is worth using.

Probably no need to ask but do you have wood in there?
What other tank mates are in there and how big is the tank?

I have had an similar experience with a few plecos that had this happen look healthy except for sunken in eyes. I was told it could that the water is to hard causing them to be dehydrated. I thought I was messed up to how could they be dehydrated in water. I knew it could not be the water I used so they told me what to do. I listened to the advice of that person and my fish lived. It was some rocks I had in there that were disolving slowly.
I doubt it is any type of parasite. From what you mentioned it it seems like they are healthy just not doing well in their tank.

 

[Allan01230]

Start with a 50% water change. What about the temp? where is it at? After the water change wait two days and do another 30%.

 

[Mr Pleco]

i have had the same problem before and it is frustrating.Have you introduced any new fish?

I have a theory that some veggies are not as fresh and healthy as they should be.I bought zucchini from 3 different stores and they all were different?one zucchini seemed to have a darker color and wax coating.I am very picky when i pick out there "fresh" veggies.

No new fish, I now buy organic veggies.. few years ago I thought there might be a pesticide ? fungicide? preservative ? coating on veggies that where killing off smaller healthy plecos. levels that wouldn't affect a 150lb human , but might be damaging to a fish that weighs around a pound or less?

It's something in your tank.

You have to post all the perams from ph to kh and so on.
It could be something in the tank like a rock or another piece of decor that is realeasing something harmful into the tank. It could take a long time for it to effect the fish. It just has to build up.

I would do huge water changes take out everything that is in there except for some wood but try to use new wood or wood that was not in this tank just to be safe. I would also use some carbon just to absorb anything that could be in the water. This is the only time this stuff is worth using.

Probably no need to ask but do you have wood in there?
What other tank mates are in there and how big is the tank?

I have had an similar experience with a few plecos that had this happen look healthy except for sunken in eyes. I was told it could that the water is to hard causing them to be dehydrated. I thought I was messed up to how could they be dehydrated in water. I knew it could not be the water I used so they told me what to do. I listened to the advice of that person and my fish lived. It was some rocks I had in there that were disolving slowly.
I doubt it is any type of parasite. From what you mentioned it it seems like they are healthy just not doing well in their tank.

PH 6.5, GH has always been off the scale its Missouri river water that my city uses.. Liquid rock... I have about 100 lbs of driftwood in a 200 gallon tank. tank is bare bottomed
They are the only plecos in the tank along with a couple of sevs and redhook SD's

Before water goes into my tanks its aged and stored, tap water is filtered through a GAC filter.. into my storage bins.. The storage bin water is heated to tank temps , treated with Prime and filtered through purigen for at least 48 hours before using water.. I've done this for years now and never had a problem . I do have RO/DI water available as I use this in my discus breeding tanks// ( 50/50).

About the same water quality as all my other pleco tanks.. could it be something to do with Panques? Other plecos I'm keeping in different tanks,
same water used for changing .. L24, L14, L183, L204. L190, L115,L47

Start with a 50% water change. What about the temp? where is it at? After the water change wait two days and do another 30%.

I'll change water tonight when I get home from work.. Temp is 82 F

Thank you all for your replies

 

[Mr Pleco]

Changed 50% of water and added a couple of almond leaves to the tank.. Now let mother nature take its course.

 

[Pandamania]

Almond leaves? ? ? would someone please explain? hmmm. . .I'm a beginner at this. I'm pretty clueless about a lot of this stuff. [Sorry if it's a dumb question.]

 

[Jackson]

I don't think it's just the Panaque I have some I had for 8 years now and never even seen a split fin.

I think it's the liquid rock water as you call it. Try to get there tank perams the same as your discus. The thing is do it slowly. Drastic changes could knock them off. See if this helps. Like I said it is hard to imagine some type of parasite especially with no new fish and from the stock list no live feedings. These fish do not do well in hard water. I know people keep them in it all the time. Maybe Panaque are more sensitive to it? I can't tell you for sure because I don't have hard water.

I really hope they start to look better.

 

[Mr Pleco]

I don't think it's just the Panaque I have some I had for 8 years now and never even seen a split fin.

I think it's the liquid rock water as you call it. Try to get there tank perams the same as your discus. The thing is do it slowly. Drastic changes could knock them off. See if this helps. Like I said it is hard to imagine some type of parasite especially with no new fish and from the stock list no live feedings. These fish do not do well in hard water. I know people keep them in it all the time. Maybe Panaque are more sensitive to it? I can't tell you for sure because I don't have hard water.

I really hope they start to look better.

Thanks they have been in the same water for years maybe it's finely taking its toll.. I'll try to lower the GH slowly and see what transpires. The funny thing is they look perfect, no split fins, no anything ..

 

[Mr Pleco]

Almond leaves? ? ? would someone please explain? hmmm. . .I'm a beginner at this. I'm pretty clueless about a lot of this stuff. [Sorry if it's a dumb question.]

It's one of those so called homeopathic remedies that have never really been proven. Yet they are great from preventing fungus on my fish eggs.

Here's what google says:

"Almond leaves actually release organic acids like humic and tannins. This lowers the pH. They help to absorb harmful chemicals and thus create a soothing and calm environment for the fish.The dried leaves are ideal for reducing fish loss due to bacterial disease, and for keeping sensitive species."