Help Save the Female in my Pair!

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rlheugel

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Ok, I am having a rough fish week. First, my niger cat burnt himself on the heater, and now the female bass in my pair is going to die VERY soon. She is no longer moving as she can only swim at a nearly sideway angle. She just sits on the rocks at the bottom of the tank. That being said, she seems rather alert (fins always elevated and such) and aside from being obviously stressed out does not seem to be suffering too much. Her breathing is steady but a bit slow, not too much however. She stopped eating about a week and a half ago, and I don't know why.

I had to move all of my fish from my 135 to my 210 because of a tank sell and knew doing so was probably not the best thing, but I really didn't have a choice. This happened about a week ago. She has no visible signs of any problems and her colors are generally spot on. When startled she will dart sideways from one side of the tank to another, but this is the only time she moves. The tank move was done by moving all the water from my 135 to my 210 plus 50 new gallons. The filters are stable and setup on the new tank, so literally the only thing that changed was the glass, the new 50 gallons of water, and the substrate.

The substrate could be an issue as I opted for a cheaper method and bought river rocks from Home Depot, but she was already showing bad signs before. Also, most of the other fish are ok as well...with one exception.

One of my other peacocks, another female, not in the pair, is now refusing to eat as well, and hasn't taken the shrimp they love for four days. She is still swimming well though, she just doesn't show any interest in me or food which is very odd. I gave feeders yesterday, but she only ate a few then as well. So, obviously something is going on that is spreading or what not.

The other peacocks are doing great and love their new home. I have never seen them so bright and active. So, I am thinking it isn't the tank change, though that might have caused more stress, but something else.

I did let my water parameters get out of hand about 2 weeks ago because of a personal issue that tok over my life, but the water is fine now. I have added salt to help whatever is going on and raised the temp.

I really don't want to lose my female or other bass, so any help would really be awesome. I am thinking I only have so much time, so please reply. I am lucky to have a proven pair and don't want to lose that.

Thanks MFK!
 
What is the temp?

How did you move thenm from one tank to the next?

What was the temp?

What is the temp?

Was the 210 set up by anyone else before your posession?

Are the Fins clamped?

How long was the Filtration not running during the move?

How large are the Cichla in question?

Do you have a spare tank for hospital uses?

How much salt did you put in?

have you treated with anything else?

What another tank mates are in the tank?

Shrimp ? What kind of shrinp do you feed?

Do you suppliment vitamins? Thiamine mainly.

My opinion is that it is possible that they contracted something or were harboring something prior to movement. Possibly in the time you were unable to do what you feel you needed.. or prior to even that.
 
Tongue, thanks for taking the time to help me. I really am kind of lost when my bass have a problem. I'm still relatively new to keeping bass. Anyway, let me answer your questions, and tell me what you think if you have time. Thanks!

What is the temp?

85 Degrees Fahrenheit

How did you move them from one tank to the next?

Netted them and moved them a total of six feet from one tank to the next after draining the water to a very low level and moving that to the new tank.

What was the temp?

85 Degrees Fahrenheit

What is the temp?

85 Degrees Fahrenheit

Was the 210 set up by anyone else before your posession?

Yes, but I cleaned it pretty thoroughly and the previous owner only did salt water in it. It had been empty for at least a year ago however. Wouldn't this eliminate any chance of disease being passed on as saltwater wouldn't pass on to fresh?

Are the Fins clamped?

Fins aren't clamped; they are in a alter vertical position as they would be when the bass are fighting over territory and showing dominance and such.

How long was the Filtration not running during the move?

5 mins max and water was never drained from the filters. Additionally, tank has not recycled or had an ammonia spike.

How large are the Cichla in question?

The two sick ones are the same size about 10 inches.

Do you have a spare tank for hospital uses?

Not really, do you think I need to go buy a rubbermaid tub as a substitute, or should I avoid moving her (and the other who isn't eating) and medicate the 210 in case others have gotten the disease or whatever as well.

How much salt did you put in?

I put in 1 Tbs per 5 gallons as directed on the salt box and throughout MFK.

have you treated with anything else?

Not yet, and I am unsure if my catfish would be able to handle the same types of meds. That rubbermaid is sounding like a better idea.

What another tank mates are in the tank?

1 Niger catfish
5 Silver Dollars
6 Bass (4 Monos; 2 Tems) - Including the sick mono bass.

Shrimp ? What kind of shrinp do you feed?

I feed raw market shrimp packs I buy at Target (deveined and shelled) . I defrost them in water I take from the tank and break the shrimp up before dropping them in. I discard the water the shrimp defrosted in.

Do you suppliment vitamins? Thiamine mainly.

No; is Thiamine readily available anywhere you find it at?

My opinion is that it is possible that they contracted something or were harboring something prior to movement. Possibly in the time you were unable to do what you feel you needed.. or prior to even that.

I am thinking it might have been the water quality issue, as that 135 was too small anyway and water problems would have consequently been exacerbated. This theory seems to be contradicted however by the fact that the other fish are doing just fine, so it seems this is a problem only a few fish are having, which suggests parasite or disease to me. Any thoughts on this logic?

The female who stopped swimming hasn't had any substantial conditions changes over the last 24 hours. She seems to be slightly more mobile and upright, though she is still sitting at the bottom of the tank only. Her color is still good and her fins are alter and upright at all times. I think she might be improving slightly but any improvements are negligible. Eithr way, she still won't eat and likely can't continue to improve unless she does anyway.

Tongue, thank you so much on your help. Your bass always look outstanding, so it is nice to have such a knowledgeable person reply.

If anyone else has some input, please throw it out there; I am needing anything I can get.

Thanks MFK!
 
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