help with cichla id pls

[yogiso02]

good day. could anyone pls help me id these pbass thanks.

this first one i have had for quite a while already he is about 12 inches in length.

now this second one i got last week and was told by the previous owner that is was a wild caught rio meta orino. he is about 10 to 12 inches. can anyone tell me what they think this one is.

thanks in advance!

 

[Houdini89]

Mono and Orino

 

[yogiso02]

thanks sir houdini. you think this orino is a rio meta? i mean is there even a way if telling what kind it is?