How does one know that a lot of the Cichlids we call Pure blood line (or whatever the term may be) arent hybrids themselves? I mean plenty of peacocks, haps, etc... will mate with different species of peacocks or haps. i.e. Say the man who discovered the Aulonocara jacobfreibergi just assumed it was a "pure" fish yet years before it was ever discovered it was unknown that it was actually a hybrid derived from two different Aulonocara? Because I know they tend to cross-hybridize. I guess God or Darwin is not on the MFK forums so I understand I might be looking too deep for an answer that is unanswerable. Just wondering if someone could set me straight on this theory of mine as if im not understanding things correctly or if it is in fact still a mystery of many Cichlid hobbyist??
heres where i am confused...
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If there is a hybrid problem with peacocks and haps, It was probably caused by owners who did not properly label them as hybrids.
why couldnt it have happen in the wild though is what im saying? before the fish we think are not hybrids were never even discovered yet?
This is a simple thing to understand once you know what is out in the wild and what is on the market. From most peacocks that I have known of, lots of them are pure not a hybrid at all. Although I have seen a few hybrids out there. This is something that you just got to remember, if it exist in the wild then it is not a hybrid whatsoever.
A hybrid between certain fish, are not plentiful in the wild. If they are plentiful in the wild. They are definitely pure. There is not much to it. One thing of why it can't happen in the wild? Umm, they have their own liking of their habitat and is wildly spread. They don't go roaming into other territory and start mating. Just think of it as the USA population of ethnicity compare with other countries.
A hybrid between certain fish, are not plentiful in the wild. If they are plentiful in the wild. They are definitely pure. There is not much to it. One thing of why it can't happen in the wild? Umm, they have their own liking of their habitat and is wildly spread. They don't go roaming into other territory and start mating. Just think of it as the USA population of ethnicity compare with other countries.
FishFreak95;4286919; said:
If you want to dig deeper, everything is hybrid. But there is a certain place where the line is drawn that cuts everything from pure to hybrids. It's like cutting the pure bred of an American Pitbull Terrier compare to an American Pitbull Terrier X German Shepard or so on. But American Pitbull is made up of other breeds...so no matter what, there has to be a line drawn between pure and hybrids.
What do you mean everything is hybrid? Hybridization is not evolution, though there might be some hybridization involved with some species.BIG_ONE;4286927; said:
Breeds are not species. And I think that a hybrid might eventually be considered pure after many generations of fertile offspring naturally and in the wild. Im just wondering if maybe a Flowerhorn or SRT escaped in the wild and bred fertile generations in the wild and maybe over hundred years might b considered a species. Im hyper right now and I don't think straight when Im in hyper mode, So this might be My ADHD side speaking lol.
FishFreak95;4286945; said:
Breeds of dogs are set off as species. Just a more "fancy" term to put out there. Just as saying FH breed or the Dovii breed.
And even if FH or SRT escape into the wild, they will never set off as a pure. And the reason is because it's just too much work inside of the fish so it cannot be considered as pure. How will we know? Trust me, there are other fish in the wild that are much more dominant, and therefore it will be much tougher to invade certain territory(although very possible). But also remember how much fish it takes to get them bred to be what they are, they still contains those genes in them. If they were to be release in the wild and start breeding with other cichlids, their genes of other fish might even come out. God knows what they will look like.
This is how Husky dogs aren't accepted into the UKC or AKC because of too much being cross bred with others. FH and SRT plays the same role here. There is a difference between natural and man made. The population of certain breed/species also draws the line between hybrid and natural existing. It's just like say to find a dovii X jaguar in the wild(which is probably 1 out of 1,000,000) compare to seeing all dovii in a dovii territory.
Ive calmed down and most of what you said I agree with except about dog breeds. All dog breeds are the same species unless crossed with a dingo or wolf or other related species. All dog breeds are a result of selective breeding.BIG_ONE;4286978; said: