i guess people need to realize if its 2 good 2 be true than it probally is! realisitically for americans atleast we can only access the common stingrays, ie; motoros, retics, otorongos, etc. so when shopping make sure you get a pic at the least! sorry csx. at least you are knowledgable enough to ship a stingray and get a refund, and if you are granted a refund then you probally should not have called the wholesaler out like you did! the other guy and the lay hobbiest should be pissed!