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When I got home yesterday after picking up my dozen Serpae Tetras from my LFS, one of the first things I did was test their water in the bags for nitrate to make sure it was very low, as the tank they were going in was 0ppm.

Imagine my utter shock when the colour sailed past the orange, raced through red, and finally nestled around the deepest colour on the chart. In short, the nitrates were sky high!

I immediately rang my LFS and told the aquatics dept manager of my findings. He asked what kit I was using and whether it had expired blah blah blah, all the usually stuff in an attempt to discredit my findings.

Whilst we were talking he got his assistant to test the very water out of the Serpae tank where my fish had come from. After a while he just said, "well I don't have much colour change at this end, maybe 5ppm". I wasn't there, so obviously I had to take his word for it.

Incidently, this is the same manager who, a few years ago sold me three Columbian Cat Sharks and said they're a great community catfish that don't get that big. When I got home my research told me that they get huge and would eat everything in my tank. I took them back the day after!!

So in my eyes he has little credibility as it is. Was he lying to me on the other end of the phone regarding his low nitrate check? Who knows.

But it got me thinking. The timescale from when the young assistant bagged up my fish to me getting home was maybe 20 mins. Is there anything that could have happened with the chemistry of the water from when those fish were bagged up to when I unbagged them? Highly highly unlikely I know, but something was obviously very very off about the whole thing.

I gently acclimatised the fish after my findings. About 24 hrs have elapsed since I got them and everything's fine, but I have this niggle at the back of my mind now. Was I right? Was he right, or was he bullshi*ting me? Or were we both right and some strange chemistry was going on with that bagged up water?
 
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The nitrate in the tank at the shop where the fish were in may well have been 5ppm. What water did the shop use to bag the fish?
 
The nitrate in the tank at the shop where the fish were in may well have been 5ppm. What water did the shop use to bag the fish?

The very same water from the actual Serpae tank! I watched the assistant do it. She filled two bags and put six fish in each bag.

When I was on the phone to him to highlight my findings I asked if all their freshwater tanks in the store were filtered by a single large central sump. If so, then ALL of their tanks would have had elevated nitrate, but he said different sections of tanks run off different sumps.

To counter this, and to make sure he hadn't just gone and tested water from another section of tanks, I asked him if he had taken a water sample from the actual serpae tank, and he said he had!

I'm dilligent with my testing procedures, and my kits are quite new so I doubt very much my result is flawed. I shouldn't be too bothered by it, it's their problem at the end of the day.

And I'm pretty certain there's no magical chemical reaction that could have gone on in those bags from the fish being netted to when I got them home 20 mins later.

It's got me scratching my head that's for sure.
 
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Generally LFS - here - do not use tank water to bag fish. A LFS with reasonable sales of fish should be able to have a circulating supply of water for bagging.

Maybe, just go to the shop and spend quite sometime watching. Pretend to be looking at all the fish, but really, look at the staff, look at their procedures, look at general health and cleanliness.

And then make some decisions.
 
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I think the last time I bought fish from a LFS was over 30 years ago. And even then it was because a good friend owned the store and I used to go to the wholesalers with him to pick out fish. I procure all my fish from fish clubs I belong to, reputable breeders in France and other locales I have become friends with (we trade killifish eggs) and a few excellent breeders/dealers who own cichlid distribution businesses. Most LFS here are horrible. Walking in I feel like I'm on a used car lot. They push products you don't need, provide bad information, couldn't find their azz with both hands and a flashlight yet pretend to be "the expert".
 
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Next best step is to see what type of water you will be using for your water changes. Be it from a well or local/city water company. We need really just two basic values, PH and Hardness. With this and your input on what fish you are interested in we can suggest fish that will thrive in your water.
 
You write that while you were talking he got the assistant to go test the water.
How long were you on the phone to him?
To get an assistant, who maybe doesn’t know to leave the test 5 minutes or more, to go test the water or to get it back to him so he could test, then leave it over 5 minutes, would all take over eight minutes, was he on the phone to you and not serving for around ten minutes or more?
But that aside, it is my belief that yes something could have happened in the bag. What exactly I don’t know, but we all know that fish get stressed, especially when bagged. Not sure what they give off in stressful situations but everything changes, they use oxygen faster, they use the toilet more, anyone who has taken a bag of bristlenose to the shop knows when you get there it’s full of poo. So, whilst I highly disbelieve ANY stores 5ppm, there is I think, more to it than just the shops water. More to look into.
 
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