How come EVERY geophagus species nowadays is labled as surinamensis or jurupari?

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When they're not? All the geos in my area are altifrons but most of the people in the stores are oblivious to that. I seem to be the only one in the universe to at least SLIGHTLY know how to distinguish each type. I've never seen a true jurupari, hell, these "juruparis" are not even satanoperca, they're geophagus (which is a slightly different species). What's up with this? And before you ask, true surinamensis and jurupari and practically unheared of in the hobby. Hell, they're pretty rare in the wild too. Most satanopercas you see now if you're lucky to run into one is daemon or leucosticta. Does anyone know why this trend started with labeling every single geophagus/satanoperca species as jurupari or surinamensis when they're sure as hell not?
 
Easier... to just label it something it is not, than to do research. Imo

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Satanoperca jurupari are fairly common in the trade, no shortage of them in these parts, where as true surinamensis have never been in the hobby as far as I know. You might want to double check the source for your info.
 
RD. said:
Satanoperca jurupari are fairly common in the trade, no shortage of them in these parts, where as true surinamensis have never been in the hobby as far as I know. You might want to double check the source for your info.
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All the satanoperca juruparis I've had turned out to be leucostictas, maybe it's just a few people including myself, not sure.
 
Sure, some vendors get the two mixed up, but that doesn't mean that S. juruparis don't exist in the hobby. Maybe they're just scarce in the LFS that you frequent. Overall they are fairly common and not overly difficult to source.
 
The name jurupari has been a catchall for decades.
When I was a kid in the late 50s and early 60s, any Geophagine that wasn't braziliensus, was called jurupari.
The jurupari complex is very much like Guianacara where there is so much confusion, even the experts can't decide what is what.
Kullander (1986) could find no morphological difference between leucostica, pappatera and jurupari, and many location variants of the complex may at some future point, end up as valid species (examples such as redlip, sp french Guiana, sp Jaro , or sp Amapa).
 
Kullander needs a new pair of glasses. :) Certainly there has been a lot of confusion over the years, mostly with vendors confusing jurupari with leucostica, but jurupari are certainly not rare, or as the OP stated unheard of in this hobby.

Here's what Thomas Weidner states with regards to the numerous collection locations cited by Kullander, Stawikowski, Warzel & Kilian, Newman, etc.

In the event of a revision some of these populations will probably not be regarded as valid, but if only half of these localities are confirmed then the distribution of S. jurupari will still encompass almost the whole of northern South America.
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Weidner also states;
S. jurupari is one of the most widespread cichlids in South America, although the taxon may conceal a number of as yet undescribed species.
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duanes said:
The name jurupari has been a catchall for decades.
When I was a kid in the late 50s and early 60s, any Geophagine that wasn't braziliensus, was called jurupari.
The jurupari complex is very much like Guianacara where there is so much confusion, even the experts can't decide what is what.
Kullander (1986) could find no morphological difference between leucostica, pappatera and jurupari, and many location variants of the complex may at some future point, end up as valid species (examples such as redlip, sp french Guiana, sp Jaro , or sp Amapa).
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Just random, there is a guy on one of that facebook groups who's last name is duanes and I always wondered if you were him. I now know you're not lol.




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