How do I know if breeding is successful?

[Carpsalmon]

I just picked up a 16 inch marble female or my 18 inch leo male as soon as I put the female in the tank the male started biting the side of her trying to flip her over he has been doing this off and on for the last three hours with no success what do I do in this situation? Marble is 4-5 years old Leo is 3.5-4. Below is a pic side by side before the started this behavior. At this point is there anything I can do to promote them to breed or to make this process go smoother any input is awesome thanks ahead of time.


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[scott s]

Males are relentless. Make sure he does not stress her to the point that she quits eating. If she does not eat, you may want to put in a temporary divider till she does. She should be fine. What type of filteration do you run?

 

[turkeyboy85]

agreed, the male will stop once he gets her preggers

 

[FishDog]

You can try water temp swings bringing temp down to say 73 degrees then over the coarse of 24 hours bring back to 80, maybe pull the female out and re introduce a day or two later. Is that male from Mike H?

 

[brich999]

isnt depth important when breeding rays? never bred myself but was told that id prob have trouble in a shallow tank and urs doesnt look very deep

 

[Tailwrap]

isnt depth important when breeding rays? never bred myself but was told that id prob have trouble in a shallow tank and urs doesnt look very deep

I thought plenty of breeders use pond type setups for rays?

 

[m_class2g]

good pick up on mikes leo! glad you guys worked it out!

 

[turkeyboy85]

isnt depth important when breeding rays? never bred myself but was told that id prob have trouble in a shallow tank and urs doesnt look very deep

Depth is somewhat important as the male needs to be able to flip the female/ get under her. My old motoros were breeding in 2ft deep I wouldnt suggest anything under 18" though.

 

[brich999]

Depth is somewhat important as the male needs to be able to flip the female/ get under her. My old motoros were breeding in 2ft deep I wouldnt suggest anything under 18" though.

thats what i thought n the tank looked shallow, but looking again i think the angle makes it look deceptively shallow.

 

[FishDog]

From what I have witnessed in my tanks both 24 and 30" deep is if the male is smooth he can do it in pretty shallow water. Any time the male latches on and the female drags him around any distraction can make him let go like coming out of water or running into objects in the tank. Deep open water systems are best because there is nothing that gets in the way except maybe other rays