Oh, and I'm not saying you can't raise juvies in a planted, you'll just have an easier time with cleaning a barebottom. I'm doing juvies in a planted right now and they're growing fine. I do 40% water changes every other day on a 125 gallon tank.........I've got a fluval 405, a large sponge filter, and an AC 110........Ph of 7.2, temp is 84, straight tapwater, no RO