How Does One Ever Know What Filter to Buy???

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I have been buying and setting up new equipment over the recent past, and of all the hundreds of posts I've read you see this question on just about every board daily in many different forms. "Which filters do I Buy"?????. There are tons of stickies explaining what filtration is and what each media does in the process but I have never seen one that truly helps a beginner (If one exists forgive me because I have missed it) sort through all of the choices out there. I know allot has to do with the fact that many of the filter manufactures sponsor many of these sites so therefore try to remain brand neutral.

I am going to use a few brands and models but I am not using this to bash any brand or model these are just examples. I think a good part of this has to do with a lack of any standard to rate a filter before it goes to market, in other words it seems to me that each manufacture uses its own methods to provide its ratings. Here is my case and I will try and keep it short.

You are shopping for a filter each has a rating, stated of say 500GPH and a few other specs such as media capacity etc. Let me just use two common filters both of which I own. The Marineland 530 and the Fluval FX5, the Marineland 530 is a Hugh filter with a capacity that is massive for different media and they claim it does true 530 GPH and is rated for tanks up to somewhere around 150 Gallons. The FX5 is smaller with a very high GPH rating which reduces down to a rate not allot higher than the 530 when you add media yet they rate it for tanks up to 400 gallons and it has a smaller media capacity. So how does one explain this? And again you could substitute any brand or models here. And then you see many try to compare say the AC110 HOB which yes has a high GPH but then its media volume is so much less than most canisters. I short while back I read an excellent post which reviewed the FX5 with the Eleim 2080 well most of the points seemed valid the specs on these to filters are very different. So I know there is no good answers for this but with all of you out there with the vast knowledge and years of experience give some advice that may help? I know many of you might say why does this matter or why make such an issue out of this and my answer again would be look at the boards each day and count how many times this question is asked. :nilly:

 
If you are in the hobby long enough, you see filters come and go. Some such as the AquaClears and Eheim canister filters have been around for a long time (35+ years). That should tell you something. Fluval has also improved their canister filters lately. My advice would be to stay away from the cheaper brands. You will have a hard time finding replacement parts for them should they be needed.
 
Most people have their own preference. Each filter will have pros and cons. A couple quick examples would be the FX5 to the filstar XP4. The fx5 has much higher gph ratings but I still use the XP4's. Most people prefer the AC110 to the "comparable" emperor 400. I use the 400 because i like the wet/dry bio wheel. It won't hold any where near as much media as the 110, but I only run it as a backup.


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Despite what all the packaging says and what everyone says on forums etc it really ends up coming down to personal preference. I've owned Rena, Fluval, Eheim, chinese knock-offs etc.. And my first choice is Fluval. Why? I can't necessarily put my finger on it but I suppose just ease-of-use, performance for my dollar, and other intangibles like the fact that a Fluval 205 was my first ever canister filter.

As far as HOB's go? Aquaclear all the way.
 
Thanks everyone for your replies. You know I worked for years where we had to follow certain proceedures to a exact standard for everything we did so everyone was always (for the most part) on the same page. So, I asked myself how does what your asking differ from a regular reviews section? In my example I used the C530 and the FX5 because of the specs. If you where to look at the specs while shopping you pull up the C530 look at the numbers and size, then you pull up the FX5 and do the same thing and in this case you say to yourself why is it that the C530 can only filter 150 Gallon tank and the FX5 can filter up to 400 gallons. Looking at it the C530 is larger has a higher media capacity and almost (with media) same gph yet it can only handle a tank 250 gallons less then the FX5 where does the FX5 get its ability to filter so much more when you compare spec for spec. In this case you could do the same thing with the Rena XP4 and the FX5.

I also used the Eheim 2080 vs. the FX5 because when you look they are both rated for about the same size tank yet the 2080's GPH is so much lower despite its larger media capacity. And I could go on and on with examples. Now allot of newbies are going to buy what the person at Petsmart or whatever chain store they are at, then load the tank with fish, and they may or may not be lucky that the sales person knew what they where talking about. Then there are some of us such as myself and looking at the forums that are going to try to research first logic says you are going to follow the specs then Guess What Happens when you do? I still want to know why the Eheim 2080 and the FX5 can handle such a larger tank then the C530 or the Rena XP4 or the Aquatop CF500 or Cascade or etc???? I have yet to see a article or forum that deals with these type of questions. I know allot of the time its going to come down to brand but us few that look at the true specs like the sticker on a car get totally lost:confused::confused:
 
You can always count on people here for good info. Everyone has preferences and different experiences with one brand or another. Still it is better than info from a lfs, because other hobbyists aren't necessarily trying to sell you anything like the lfs.
 
You can always count on people here for good info. Everyone has preferences and different experiences with one brand or another. Still it is better than info from a lfs, because other hobbyists aren't necessarily trying to sell you anything like the lfs.
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Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to this thread, my laptop decided to go on vacation this week. Yeah this is why I love to read these forumsp;From reading this forum some of you folks have some setup's I can only imagine yet many will take the time to answer some of these simple questions. And I thought I had something with my comparativly small 125. Not to be patronizing just a quick kudos.

I guess I like to try and provoke some debate, to me this is how I have learned here. This thread was intended to help me (and hopefully some others)&nbsp;understand when shopping for a filter is it GPH or Media capacity that is most important? (such as the FX5 vs the 2080?)? I was trying to stay brand netural just using some common filters out there. This is a hugh factor which can cost as much as the tank itself&nbsp;if you get fancy. I hope I don't get bashed for this but another good example is the C-Series, Aquatop, Sun-Sun and a few others all seem to be made somewhere in China with different labels attached. It seems to me that a big company like Marineland would want to engineer there own unique models (meaning canisters).
 
If marine land says 530gph with media its prlly 300-350. Also the way the media is desingned to flow thru the canister has a lot to do with it, I believe the fx5 is rated on bio capacity , meaning it holds 1.5 gallons of bio plus 600 gph equals more bio capacity then the marineland thus capable of filtering a bigger tank, a 400 gallon tank with a few cichlids is fine for an fx5 but a normally stocked 400 is gonna need 3 imo. I use fx5 and ac110 on 90 gallons.



I too use a backup, ac110 with polishing pads for crisp water, that thing just dumps water.

I would never buy another marineland product after a circulator was throwing stray voltage into my tank....



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This canister "question mark" is what prompted me to build and advocate sump type filters. Dollar for dollar a sump is going to give you more all around. If a canister mfg says their filter is good up to 300gph and a 250g tank, I know in my mind it is the bio capacity thats important and the gph is subjective. It was said before, if it is advertised at a certain gph, that gph is based on zero headpressure.I have never seen a canister advertised showing the return rate on a curve. Even some pump mfg's won't list pump flows with a pump curve diagram. FX5 is rated at like 900gph, without media. DUH, why would you run it without media? Not everyone is going to use the same media either. Point is, canisters, no matter the brand/quality/reputation are only as good as the container. They are only as good as the pump in them as well...no upgrades..you want more flow, you buy another canister. You want more bio, buy another canister. You want more mechanical, either remove bio, and replace with mechanical, or, buy another canister.
Canisters have their place and I still use them on certain applications, but I personally prefer a sump.
 
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