hello all sorry for so many threads lately its just that i finnaly got a tank set up properly with fish i am realy interested in. i appreciate everyones time help and patience. i am growing out 10 gymno quillero in my 36" 58 gallon same foot print as a 40 breeder but taller. will all 10 live in this tank for life i know they like being in groups but will i have to cut the group back to 4 or 5. and would a pair of red ceibal or crencichla work with them in this tank thanks so much for any advice or help.